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Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
« Reply #60 on: March 17, 2014, 11:48:05 AM »
Here is the Constitution of Ukraine pertaining to Crimea
Article 134[edit]
The Autonomous Republic of Crimea is an inseparable constituent part of Ukraine and decides on the issues ascribed to its competence within the limits of authority determined by the Constitution of Ukraine.
Article 135[edit]
The Autonomous Republic of Crimea has the Constitution of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea that is adopted by the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and approved by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine by no less than one-half of the constitutional composition of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine.
Normative legal acts of the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and decisions of the Council of Ministers of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea shall not contradict the Constitution and the laws of Ukraine and are adopted in accordance with the Constitution of Ukraine, the laws of Ukraine, acts of the President of Ukraine and the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine, and for their execution.
Article 136[edit]
The Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, within the limits of its authority, is the representative body of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea.
The Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea adopts decisions and resolutions that are mandatory for execution in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea.
The Council of Ministers of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea is the government of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. The Head of the Council of Ministers of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea is appointed to office and dismissed from office by the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea with the consent of the President of Ukraine.
The authority, the procedure for the formation and operation of the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and of the Council of Ministers of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, are determined by the Constitution of Ukraine and the laws of Ukraine, and by normative legal acts of the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea on issues ascribed to its competence.
In the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, justice is administered by courts that belong to the unified system of courts of Ukraine.
Article 137[edit]
The Autonomous Republic of Crimea exercises normative regulation on the following issues:
agriculture and forestry;
land reclamation and mining;
public works, crafts and trades; charity;
city construction and housing management;
tourism, hotel business, fairs;
museums, libraries, theatres, other cultural establishments, historical and cultural preserves;
public transportation, roadways, water supply;
hunting and fishing;
sanitary and hospital services.
For reasons of nonconformity of normative legal acts of the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea with the Constitution of Ukraine and the laws of Ukraine, the President of Ukraine may suspend these normative legal acts of the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea with a simultaneous appeal to the Constitutional Court of Ukraine in regard to their constitutionality.
Article 138[edit]
The competence of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea comprises:
designating elections of deputies to the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, approving the composition of the electoral commission of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea;
organizing and conducting local referendums;
managing property that belongs to the Autonomous Republic of Crimea;
elaborating, approving and implementing the budget of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea on the basis of the uniform tax and budget policy of Ukraine;
elaborating, approving and realizing programs of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea for socio-economic and cultural development, the rational utilization of nature, and environmental protection in accordance with national programs;
recognizing the status of localities as resorts; establishing zones for the sanitary protection of resorts;
participating in ensuring the rights and freedoms of citizens, national harmony, the promotion of the protection of legal order and public security;
ensuring the operation and development of the state language and national languages and cultures in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea; protection and use of historical monuments;
participating in the development and realization of state programs for the return of deported peoples;
initiating the introduction of a state of emergency and the establishment of zones of an ecological emergency situation in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea or in its particular areas.
Other powers may also be delegated to the Autonomous Republic of Crimea by the laws of Ukraine.
Article 139[edit]
The Representative Office of the President of Ukraine, whose status is determined by the law of Ukraine, operates in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea.
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Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
« Reply #61 on: March 17, 2014, 11:50:45 AM »
The present government in the Ukraine is elected?

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Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
« Reply #62 on: March 17, 2014, 12:06:30 PM »
BBC radio 4 had a political analyst on who was a Yank, stating it was the EU and IMF, do you think he was a commie?

Or maybe one of those neutral countries who keep out if wars :)
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Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
« Reply #63 on: March 17, 2014, 01:28:55 PM »
Why are you a commie :rofl

Its ridiculous the sabre rattling and hand wringing :rofl

Has north korea invaded yet :old:

if your country was a neutral in the war you no point of view on current world events :old:
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Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
« Reply #64 on: March 17, 2014, 03:42:18 PM »
Ohhhh

this thread is so going to be locked...


The present government in the Ukraine is elected?

The present government is build of parties that were elected in the current parliament. i.e. it has the support of parliamentary majority as any other civil government. The president was replaced... because he run away.


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Riiight western financeers had nothing to do with ousting the elected Ukrainian leaders who were pro Russian. Its all just russian propoganda.

West does not care about Ukraine... that is probably the biggest Ukrainian problem right now.

So yes... it is mostly right propaganda.

BTW the funniest thing today (if you call it is funny) is to read one of the Kremlin connected news channels rt.com... It is like the opposite of a common sense and basic understanding tells you. Like the "man in green" in Crimea are not Russian army at all and the are local "self defence" groups.

What is even more funny that they still lie without any basic shame when in the period of facebook, internet and all other globalisation goodies you can catch them in 5 seconds...

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Is it true that russia is allowed by treaty to have up to 26,000 troops in the crimea?

They allowed to have troops inside the Russian military bases (Russia pay Ukraine to park the fleet there as they don't have better bases in the black sea). But they aren't allowed to leave the base, especially armed with armored vehicles and blockade the entire Crimea...
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Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
« Reply #65 on: March 17, 2014, 04:07:00 PM »
Ohhhh

this thread is so going to be locked...


The present government is build of parties that were elected in the current parliament. i.e. it has the support of parliamentary majority as any other civil government. The president was replaced... because he run away.


West does not care about Ukraine... that is probably the biggest Ukrainian problem right now.

So yes... it is mostly right propaganda.

BTW the funniest thing today (if you call it is funny) is to read one of the Kremlin connected news channels rt.com... It is like the opposite of a common sense and basic understanding tells you. Like the "man in green" in Crimea are not Russian army at all and the are local "self defence" groups.

What is even more funny that they still lie without any basic shame when in the period of facebook, internet and all other globalisation goodies you can catch them in 5 seconds...

They allowed to have troops inside the Russian military bases (Russia pay Ukraine to park the fleet there as they don't have better bases in the black sea). But they aren't allowed to leave the base, especially armed with armored vehicles and blockade the entire Crimea...


WAS IT ELECTED!!!!!!!!!!!?

don't ignore the facts they were not elected

Typical gibberish
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Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
« Reply #66 on: March 18, 2014, 01:47:12 AM »
Did you hear the tape of the phone conversation with the US european secretary of state discussing who they were planning on putting in charge of Ukraine?
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Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
« Reply #67 on: March 18, 2014, 02:58:59 AM »
Floob stop antagonising people :old:

North korea has invaded New Jersey again but have left this morning due to pipz's new sneekers incident :old:
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Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
« Reply #68 on: March 18, 2014, 05:54:16 AM »
Did you pee in Pipz's sneekers again zack... What have I told you about that  :uhoh
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Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
« Reply #69 on: March 18, 2014, 07:36:49 AM »
WAS IT ELECTED!!!!!!!!!!!?

don't ignore the facts they were not elected

Typical gibberish

Yes it was elected. The members were elected to parliament, and when the president has fled the country due to the civilian uprising, a transitional "cabinet of ministers" government by elected ministers of parliament is a completely acceptable solution. According to their constitution the cabinet of ministers is the highest institution of the executive branch. The president may not dismiss the cabinet nor any of the ministers by himself as they are elected officials. I would only worry if this new government doesn't call for new elections once things calm down.
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Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
« Reply #70 on: March 18, 2014, 07:45:32 AM »
It was not a civilian uprising, the losers in this are Ukranians, who think they will LCD tvs and BMWs when its all over :rofl

Its Russia's only warm water port what do you exspect :rofl


The president who fled is not president?

Democracy in Eastern europe  :rofl
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Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
« Reply #71 on: March 18, 2014, 07:54:46 AM »
A president who has been impeached and fled the country is no longer able to govern, and thus an interim government is needed. Democracy in Eastern Europe has had a shaky start, but that's to be expected.

Western republics can also impeach their presidents and other elected officials. Richard Nixon resigned before he could be impeached.
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« Reply #72 on: March 18, 2014, 07:59:19 AM »
From The Star:

"The political landscape in Ukraine has flipped again, less than one day after a compromise was signed to end a week of bloody violence in the capital of Kyiv.

Within 24 hours of a compromise signed between Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych and opposition leaders, Yanukovych had fled Kyiv. Then he was impeached. Pro-democratic demonstrators were providing security to abandoned government buildings while Ukrainians toured his opulent home complete, with a zoo and vintage car collection.

New elections were announced for May 25. The president’s chief political rival was freed from prison, and the head of the Ukrainian army has vowed not to get involved."


To me this sounds like a legitimate change in government. Presidents are not kings...
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Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
« Reply #73 on: March 18, 2014, 07:42:13 PM »
Ukrainian soldiers are now allowed to defend themselves with deadly force as of today.  About dang time.  Time to start pealing back some Russian lids.  Oh, that's right, those guys in green and masks are NOT Russian soldiers.
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Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
« Reply #74 on: March 18, 2014, 08:16:08 PM »
I think I've played this game... Was this pretty much the plot of Jane's US Navy Fighters?
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