Author Topic: Ready for the P-47D15-23 series  (Read 5878 times)

Offline Seadog36

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Re: Ready for the P-47D15-23 series
« Reply #60 on: April 05, 2014, 07:08:15 PM »
Wonderful, another member of the bbs community agrees with the rational for the D-23! I didn't think you would ever come ever come around Karnak! We can leave it to HTC to decide if that ship has sailed. I have a strong premonition that we will see it in the not too distant future.

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Re: Ready for the P-47D15-23 series
« Reply #61 on: April 05, 2014, 07:27:41 PM »
Wonderful, another member of the bbs community agrees with the rational for the D-23! I didn't think you would ever come ever come around Karnak! We can leave it to HTC to decide if that ship has sailed. I have a strong premonition that we will see it in the not too distant future.
No.  If we had neither the P-47D-23 or the P-47D-25 I would have agreed that the P-47D-23 should be the one added.  Given that we are not in that situation we face the question of if the P-47D-23 ought to be added when we already have the identical in all practical ways P-47D-25 and the answer to that is a firm no.  The P-47D-23 would be a clear waste of developer resources given the actual situation.
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Re: Ready for the P-47D15-23 series
« Reply #62 on: April 05, 2014, 08:12:51 PM »
Karnak, you are back peddling now~ Let me quote you
[ author=Karnak link=topic=360563.msg4794006#msg4794006 date=1396740969]
I agree that the P-47D-23 would have been a better choice than the P-47D-25
[/quote]

I'm thrilled we agree on that fact, wether you believe the relatively small investment in resources to make the minor change is worth it is not in your hands. Again, I thank you for recognizing the merits of having the most numerically prevalent model in the game. You have refused to acknowledge that previously, but like water wearing down stone we are making progress. I was in full agreement with you over the Ki-43 and presto! Dreams really do come true, even if it takes a while<S>

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Re: Ready for the P-47D15-23 series
« Reply #63 on: April 06, 2014, 04:19:37 AM »
Again, I thank you for recognizing the merits of having the most numerically prevalent model in the game.
Just a minor correction: I am not sure that D-23 was the most numerous model. It is however, the most representative of actual Jugs flying around in WWII because all previous razorback models (including our D11) were upgraded to this standard and spend much (if not most) of their combat time in a configuration very similar to the D-23.

I understand Karnak's objection and I too would prefer that HTC add a completely new Beaufighter for example. Though one has to keep in mind that adding D23 is nothing close to the resources required to add a completely new plane to the set. I hope HTC keep this wish in mind when they have a little of free development time that is too little for a completely new project. D23 will be a nice bone to throw to the community and this is a model that will see plenty of use in the arenas and scenarios.
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Re: Ready for the P-47D15-23 series
« Reply #64 on: April 06, 2014, 08:01:55 AM »
Just a minor correction: I am not sure that D-23 was the most numerous model. It is however, the most representative of actual Jugs flying around in WWII because all previous razorback models (including our D11) were upgraded to this standard and spend much (if not most) of their combat time in a configuration very similar to the D-23.

I understand Karnak's objection and I too would prefer that HTC add a completely new Beaufighter for example. Though one has to keep in mind that adding D23 is nothing close to the resources required to add a completely new plane to the set. I hope HTC keep this wish in mind when they have a little of free development time that is too little for a completely new project. D23 will be a nice bone to throw to the community and this is a model that will see plenty of use in the arenas and scenarios.

bozon, you are right~The argument is for the D15-23 series of which I have compiled inventories of serial numbers from production at Republic in Farmingdale, Long Island, NY and Evansville, IN and come up with over 7k of a 15k total factory production run, not including the thousand of field modified earlier variants. HTC has the chocolate cake, they just need to put the frosting on for this one vs a whole new recipe.

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Re: Ready for the P-47D15-23 series
« Reply #65 on: April 06, 2014, 08:16:03 AM »
A little convoluted but RE are Farmingdale built RA Evansville

P-47C Serial Numbers:

41-6066 to 6123         Republic P-47C-RE Thunderbolt
41-6124 to 6177         Republic P-47C-1-RE Thunderbolt
41-6178 to 6305         Republic P-47C-2-RE Thunderbolt
41-6306 to 6667         Republic P-47C-5-RE Thunderbolt

P-47D Serial Numbers:

42-7853 - 7957      Republic P-47D-1-RE Thunderbolt
42-7958 - 8402      Republic P-47D-2-RE Thunderbolt
42-8403 - 8702      Republic P-47D-5-RE Thunderbolt
42-22250 - 22363  Republic P-47D-1-RA Thunderbolt
42-22364 - 22563  Republic P-47D-2-RA Thunderbolt
42-22564 - 22663  Republic P-47D-3-RA Thunderbolt
42-22664 - 22863  Republic P-47D-4-RA Thunderbolt
42-22864 - 23113  Republic P-47D-11-RA Thunderbolt

42-23114 - 23142  Republic P-47D-16-RA Thunderbolt
42-23143 - 23299  Republic P-47D-15-RA Thunderbolt
42-25274 - 25322  Republic P-47D-20-RE Thunderbolt
42-25323 - 25538  Republic P-47D-21-RE Thunderbolt
42-25539 - 26388  Republic P-47D-22-RE Thunderbolt
42-27389 - 28188  Republic P-47D-23-RA Thunderbolt[/font]

42-26389 - 26773  Republic P-47D-25-RE Thunderbolt
42-26774 - 27388  Republic P-47D-27-RE Thunderbolt
42-28189 - 28438  Republic P-47D-26-RA Thunderbolt
42-28439 - 29466  Republic P-47D-28-RA Thunderbolt
42-74615 - 74964  Republic P-47D-6-RE Thunderbolt
42-74965 - 75214  Republic P-47D-10-RE Thunderbolt
42-75215 - 75614  Republic P-47D-11-RE Thunderbolt

42-75615 - 75864  Republic P-47D-15-RE Thunderbolt
42-75865 - 76118  Republic P-47D-16-RE Thunderbolt
42-76119 - 76364  Republic P-47D-15-RE Thunderbolt
42-76365 - 76614  Republic P-47D-20-RE Thunderbolt
43-25254 - 25440  Republic P-47D-20-RA Thunderbolt
43-25441 - 25664  Republic P-47D-21-RA Thunderbolt
43-25665 - 25753  Republic P-47D-23-RA Thunderbolt

44-19558 - 20307  Republic P-47D-28-RE Thunderbolt
44-20308 - 21107  Republic P-47D-30-RE Thunderbolt
44-32668 - 33867  Republic P-47D-30-RA Thunderbolt
44-89684 - 90283  Republic P-47D-30-RA Thunderbolt
44-90284 - 90483  Republic P-47D-40-RA Thunderbolt
45-49090 - 49554  Republic P-47D-40-RA Thunderbolt

Serials of Curtiss built P-47Gs:

42-24920 - 24939  Curtiss P-47G-CU Thunderbolt
42-24940 - 24979  Curtiss P-47G-1-CU Thunderbolt
42-24980 - 25039  Curtiss P-47G-5-CU Thunderbolt
42-25040 - 25119  Curtiss P-47G-10-CU Thunderbolt
42-25120 - 25273  Curtiss P-47G-15-CU Thunderbolt
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Re: Ready for the P-47D15-23 series
« Reply #66 on: April 06, 2014, 11:28:22 AM »
New late model razorbacks final production in Hangar 2 at Republic Farmingdale

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Re: Ready for the P-47D15-23 series
« Reply #67 on: April 06, 2014, 11:45:55 AM »
Karnak, you are back peddling now~ Let me quote you
[ author=Karnak link=topic=360563.msg4794006#msg4794006 date=1396740969]
I agree that the P-47D-23 would have been a better choice than the P-47D-25


I'm thrilled we agree on that fact, wether you believe the relatively small investment in resources to make the minor change is worth it is not in your hands. Again, I thank you for recognizing the merits of having the most numerically prevalent model in the game. You have refused to acknowledge that previously, but like water wearing down stone we are making progress. I was in full agreement with you over the Ki-43 and presto! Dreams really do come true, even if it takes a while<S>
I highlighted the relevant phrase you seem to have overlooked or misunderstood.

It means a different choice was appropriate at some point in the past when considering how things were at that time.

No backpedaling on my part, you just ignored the part that didn't agree with you.
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Re: Ready for the P-47D15-23 series
« Reply #68 on: April 06, 2014, 12:31:53 PM »
you just ignored the part that didn't agree with you.


 As you do most of the time  :aok
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Re: Ready for the P-47D15-23 series
« Reply #69 on: April 06, 2014, 01:29:01 PM »
As you do most of the time  :aok
Yet you can provide no such thing.  Funny that.
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Re: Ready for the P-47D15-23 series
« Reply #70 on: April 08, 2014, 03:43:10 PM »
A little long range escort...

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Re: Ready for the P-47D15-23 series
« Reply #71 on: April 10, 2014, 11:20:33 AM »
A few factory floor pictures...






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Re: Ready for the P-47D15-23 series
« Reply #72 on: April 10, 2014, 01:59:07 PM »
{snip}tell us what new/different thing this plane would bring to the game {snip}

I am in very late on this conversation, but I thought this was a legitimate question and one to the heart of the matter. 

In my opinion, what Seadog is suggesting is more of a correction to the game choices.  What he is asking for is no different from the expansion of the P40s (or actually does anyone besides me  :old: remember the P47D30).  As for what game play, there could be advantages in a number of areas, such as Scenarios, perk point multipliers, historical skins, etc. 

If somewhere around half the Jug variants were razorback, then limiting the use of that variant to short range attack (no wing attachments) and fighter roles, does virtually cut down on the use of D11's.   As much as I love to fly the Jug, I find a significant gap in the reward / perk system that favors 109s and even 190s in attack mode ( I may stand corrected as this is based on my  :old: recollection of attack perks awarded in my past missions). 

^^ This may be the best solution to a problem that nobody knew we had.  ;)  Since everyone is in a Bf109K4 or Spit 16 anyway (I am not judging  :P pilot's choice.....).  In a game, risks and rewards are balanced by player skill and knowledge.  (Of course, there are other factors as well, considering multiple 50 cal damage to objects versus larger rounds, and that horse I hope is not beaten to death yet).

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Re: Ready for the P-47D15-23 series
« Reply #73 on: April 10, 2014, 04:07:30 PM »
Yes. More jugs please. Who doesn't like Jugs?

I think the D-23 would accelerate and be a bit more stable as a gun platform than the D-25. Based on pilot accounts, the razorback jugs were hotrods once they were outfitted with the paddle props. They were, however, overboosting the engines to nealry M/N levels long before either of those models came out.

I say more is good. No matter which plane. Seems putting a paddle prop and D-25 wings on a D-11 would be a pretty simpleish mod. Then again, I'm not a programmer.
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Re: Ready for the P-47D15-23 series
« Reply #74 on: April 10, 2014, 05:07:10 PM »
Then the D25 would be dropped and the 23 added?  I would sure like to give the paddle prop razorbacks a go.