Author Topic: Artist's rendition of the future Andromeda/Milky Way collision  (Read 974 times)

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Re: Artist's rendition of the future Andromeda/Milky Way collision
« Reply #30 on: March 27, 2014, 07:21:53 PM »
The person traveling at high speeds does not perceive...........oh nevermind, you guys aren't going to get it.

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Re: Artist's rendition of the future Andromeda/Milky Way collision
« Reply #31 on: March 27, 2014, 07:31:45 PM »
so if a rock is a human ... and a human keeps track of time...time is.....








































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Re: Artist's rendition of the future Andromeda/Milky Way collision
« Reply #32 on: March 27, 2014, 08:00:10 PM »
So in that theory, time weighs the same  as a duck
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Re: Artist's rendition of the future Andromeda/Milky Way collision
« Reply #33 on: March 28, 2014, 01:08:39 AM »
how again are you time traveling? i have yet to figure out how speed effects time?   light speed + return at light speed = 2 weeks...so...2 weeks = 20 years?
How can mix perception and event horizons?  a human could never survive those extremes.

Theoretical questions do not have to worry about details such as would you survive or not. Time travel is not possible just by speeding up, you can only slow down your perceived time like that. In order to time travel you'd need to have a worm hole with the other end spinning rapidly. The effects of the environment would cause anyone entering the other end of the wormhole arrive to the other side faster than he enters it.

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Re: Artist's rendition of the future Andromeda/Milky Way collision
« Reply #34 on: March 28, 2014, 08:22:36 AM »
Theoretical questions do not have to worry about details such as would you survive or not. Time travel is not possible just by speeding up, you can only slow down your perceived time like that. In order to time travel you'd need to have a worm hole with the other end spinning rapidly. The effects of the environment would cause anyone entering the other end of the wormhole arrive to the other side faster than he enters it.

The practical problem with time machines is that you can only travel as far back in time as when the time machine was created.

It would seem the fundamental problem is that the nature of time is a non physical constant linear progression independent of perception.  Also, speed is a measurement of distance over time, without time there is no measurement of speed.

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Re: Artist's rendition of the future Andromeda/Milky Way collision
« Reply #35 on: March 28, 2014, 09:22:45 AM »
Eventually, if all theories hold, we will stop and reverse directions picking up speed as we head to the next 'big bang'.

This appears to not be the case.  The rate of expansion is speeding up and we don't know why.  'Dark Energy' is somehow causing the expansion to accelerate when by what we know it ought to be slowing down.
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Re: Artist's rendition of the future Andromeda/Milky Way collision
« Reply #36 on: March 28, 2014, 09:49:13 AM »
Isn't time relative to Einsteins relativity theory.

According to these theories, the concept of time depends on the spatial reference frame of the observer, and the human perception as well as the measurement by instruments such as clocks are different for observers in relative motion. For example, if a spaceship carrying a clock flies through space at (very nearly) the speed of light, its crew does not notice a change in the speed of time on board their vessel because everything traveling at the same speed slows down at the same rate (including the clock, the crew's thought processes, and the functions of their bodies). However, to a stationary observer watching the spaceship fly by, the spaceship appears flattened in the direction it is traveling and the clock on board the spaceship appears to move very slowly. On the other hand, the crew on board the spaceship also perceives the observer as slowed down and flattened along the spaceship's direction of travel, because both are moving at very nearly the speed of light relative to each other. Because the outside universe appears flattened to the spaceship, the crew perceives themselves as quickly traveling between regions of space that (to the stationary observer) are many light years apart. This is reconciled by the fact that the crew's perception of time is different from the stationary observer's; what seems like seconds to the crew might be hundreds of years to the stationary observer. In either case, however, causality remains unchanged: the past is the set of events that can send light signals to an entity and the future is the set of events to which an entity can send light signal
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Re: Artist's rendition of the future Andromeda/Milky Way collision
« Reply #37 on: March 28, 2014, 10:46:42 AM »
The universe is "open", which means it'll expand forever, instead of closed, which would result in another big bang.  Although we're probably part of the Shapley Supercluster, which means that even when the rest of the universe has expanded so much its no longer observable, we'll still have a lot of galaxies that are more or less permanently in our neighborhood, which is oddly comforting.

The best thing about this galaxy collision is the scene at the end of Empire Strikes Back, where Luke and Leia look out the window of their Nebulon B Medical Frigate at their galaxy... imagine seeing that every night you go outside and look at the sky... awesome!

As for our speed moving through the universe, this seems like a good estimation: http://www.astrosociety.org/edu/publications/tnl/71/howfast.html
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Re: Artist's rendition of the future Andromeda/Milky Way collision
« Reply #38 on: March 28, 2014, 12:35:25 PM »
So in that theory, time weighs the same  as a duck
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Re: Artist's rendition of the future Andromeda/Milky Way collision
« Reply #39 on: March 28, 2014, 03:10:20 PM »
the past is the set of events that can send light signals to an entity and the future is the set of events to which an entity can send light signal

the past is how space got to its current position. the time is now. the future is where space will be.  :old:

interesting ideas... another is gravity and black holes and light.  if the speed of light is the speed of electromagnetism and if light can not escape a black hole.  is the speed of gravity greater than the speed of light?  or is gravity also the speed of light. :noid everything is the speed of light AHHHH  :noid