A-20 perk them

[Hoplite]

Against a late war 109?  I would take that bet.

As would I.  A20s a difficult target in the right hands (I'd certainly put WW in that catagory)...but a K or G14 in the right hands using the vert will make it a difficult proposition to get the lasers aligned. 

[Drano]

Let's not confuse climbing ablilty with zooming ability. The 109s will absolutely crush an A-20 in a straight climb but it can't compete with that big honkin hunk of metal in a zoom. That's what gets people killed by A-20s.

[Hoplite]

Let's not confuse climbing ablilty with zooming ability. The 109s will absolutely crush an A-20 in a straight climb but it can't compete with that big honkin hunk of metal in a zoom. That's what gets people killed by A-20s.

A good point, but I wasn't confusing the two.  I am familiar with using the short term advantage of a zoom climb i.e. the 110G can zoom as well and I've caught plenty of 38s, K4s and Doras off guard using it.  Under normal conditions most of those planes would eat the 110 alive in the vertical.     

I made the "go vert" comment based on posts which imply a fighter was extending to get space away from the A20 before reengaging rather than trying to turn with it i.e.:

Id rather run than get shot in a turn fight. I really don't see the issue with running and getting some distance between us before reengaging 

Based on the above I made a basic assumption that the fighter is at a higher E state and thus the zoom climb shouldn't be as much a factor, but it's still something to watch out for of course.  Cobia's made me pay dearly a couple of times for underestimating his E state....I'm pretty sure WW would do the same in similar circumstances. 

*bah* A20s pilots.  Perk the cheaters.   

[Changeup]

Let's not confuse climbing ablilty with zooming ability. The 109s will absolutely crush an A-20 in a straight climb but it can't compete with that big honkin hunk of metal in a zoom. That's what gets people killed by A-20s.

Correct but, staying the vertical, the K4 will slow down a helluva lot faster than the A20 forcing the overshoot while the A20 eats about 15 taters.

I'll still take the bet.

[SirNuke]

and it has 6x50cals in the nose, nothing under 1000 is safe, especially on top of a rope.

[danny76]

Tempest rockets

[save]

The A8 does have better dive-acceleration in this release than the A20, but can not turn or zoom with it even with bombs both at 250mph, climb and come back on-top of the A20 is the best choice.

If I where the A20 I would wish for better armour protection for the crew, all front guns 20mm's, and the same command view as the tanks have, and be able to turn with the whole wing of 3 planes in a Luft-berry circle like the 110s did against spits.

If I where in the A8 I would wish for be able to take the 13mm's out of the plane, equip it with Rm4 rockets, or 6*20mm, and be able to pull stick so i can follow a bomb-equipped A20 in a loop.

I would like to know what limitations the A20 had IRL, with and without bombs,  and if inverted flight/loops where possible with bombs.

[Karnak]

Long ago I remember another A-20 as great fighter debate that happened.  It devolved into the pro-A-20 guy or guys insisting that the A-20 would handily beat a Mossie in a fight. Eventually a fight was arranged between a noted A-20 fighter pilot and, IIRC, Batfink in the Mossie.  The result was that the A-20 got one, brief long range gun solution that put a few holes in the Mossie but from that point on the Mossie's better power to weight ratio simply denied the A-20 any ability to go offensive and the A-20 was shot down in short order.  Afterwords the A-20 player acknowledged that he had been wrong.  He said that he had underestimated the power advantage that the Mossie had.

That was the old, pre-updated and improved Mossie.

If the Mossie can get on top of an A-20 and stay there then the Bf109K-4 ought to have no problem doing so.

[danny76]

Definately back to the "plane not pilot" argument.

Batfink would be a struggle to beat in anything, I have a hard time against a well flown A20's in Spits

[moot]

Long ago I remember another A-20 as great fighter debate that happened.  It devolved into the pro-A-20 guy or guys insisting that the A-20 would handily beat a Mossie in a fight. Eventually a fight was arranged between a noted A-20 fighter pilot and, IIRC, Batfink in the Mossie.  The result was that the A-20 got one, brief long range gun solution that put a few holes in the Mossie but from that point on the Mossie's better power to weight ratio simply denied the A-20 any ability to go offensive and the A-20 was shot down in short order.  Afterwords the A-20 player acknowledged that he had been wrong.  He said that he had underestimated the power advantage that the Mossie had.

That was the old, pre-updated and improved Mossie.

If the Mossie can get on top of an A-20 and stay there then the Bf109K-4 ought to have no problem doing so.

Humble?

The A20 is dogmeat for pretty much anything in the fighter category, if you have minimum of discipline.

[Karnak]

Definately back to the "plane not pilot" argument.

Batfink would be a struggle to beat in anything, I have a hard time against a well flown A20's in Spits

Nah, this was one of the lauded A-20 "fighter" pilots.  Maybe Cobia.  I don't recall.

A-20s don't concern me at all because to me they are harmless, even Widewing or Cobia, simply because I respect them enough to render them harmless.

[cobia38]

Nah, this was one of the lauded A-20 "fighter" pilots.  Maybe Cobia.  I don't recall.

A-20s don't concern me at all because to me they are harmless, even Widewing or Cobia, simply because I respect them enough to render them harmless.

Nope,not me,we have never tangled karnak




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[cobia38]

Long time no see moot /S\
 I miss the 152 vs a-20 duals , lots of fun


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[Karnak]

Nope,not me,we have never tangled karnak




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I tangled with you once, briefly.  I know it was you as I later got an assist.  I gave the center section of your A-20 a burst of Hispano from my Mossie, but there was no damage effect that I noticed.  It was in a rather big melee and both of us were dealing with multiple threats, A-20s and Mossies both draw more than their fair share of attention.


But that isn't really what I was getting at.  I was saying that I consider A-20 flyers of your caliber to be harmless to me because I respect the A-20's potential, due to players like you.  Sure, you'll get me if you have a lot of smash on me, but from an equal standpoint or in my favor E wise, I don't think I have anything to worry about from you or Widewing.

[bozon]

I gave the center section of your A-20 a burst of Hispano from my Mossie, but there was no damage effect that I noticed.

This is the A20 killer move. You go:
"HAHA! take that silly A20! belly full of hispanos!... now who's the next threat?... <tracers fly past your canopy> WTF?! the should-be-dead A20 shrugged off my volley and is now hot on my 6! <pull a stupid panic move and die>".