Radical Idea About HOing

[Debrody]

No one has a right to complain about a HO. A HO can always be avoided by turning around.

I do not agree with that.
You can try to avoid, the opponent can still spray and get some lucky hits. While technically it isnt a head on, its just as low.

[Skyyr]

Good post, Nish.

I find complaining about head-on passes to be nothing more than an excuse for "I'm not skilled enough to both avoid you and set up my plane for post-merge maneuvering."

What I find funny is how people think that there's maneuvers and pilot skills available that can make you nigh impossible to hit when your opponent is behind you (when you have the least maneuvering options available), yet they cry "HO" when shot during the merge, the point of the fight that they have the most options and direct control over. Logically, this is a complete contradiction.

[danny76]

 


You have snatched the pebbles from my hand

Damned pebble theft. It's getting to be an epidemic 

[Aspen]

HOing is no big deal.  It won't change so fretting over it is unproductive.  It would be better if it was less common so it doesn't bother me when folks are called out on it.  Planes are free and life is cheap in AH so its pretty easy to recover from.  What we can't get back are the thousands of good fights that never happened because it was over at the merge.

[SAJ73]

 It was a long time ago that I started accepting the ho as a part of the game, I just try to work harder to avoid those situations myself. Now and then when really committed to a really good 1v1 I get ho shots because I "guessed" or "hoped" that this one pilot was not one of the hoing ones, sometimes I am right, sometimes I am wrong. And that's my own fault for putting myself into that position.
Just up another sortie and put the experience in the back of the head for the next one. 

[Wiley]

It was a long time ago that I started accepting the ho as a part of the game, I just try to work harder to avoid those situations myself. Now and then when really committed to a really good 1v1 I get ho shots because I "guessed" or "hoped" that this one pilot was not one of the hoing ones, sometimes I am right, sometimes I am wrong. And that's my own fault for putting myself into that position.
Just up another sortie and put the experience in the back of the head for the next one. 

This... this right here is what makes me bonkers.  You are saying you let him get guns on you, and hoped he wouldn't pull the trigger.

How does that make any sense whatsoever?

Wiley.

[Skyyr]

This... this right here is what makes me bonkers.  You are saying you let him get guns on you, and hoped he wouldn't pull the trigger.

How does that make any sense whatsoever?

Wiley.

lol. Yep.

In a perfect merge, you want an almost straight head-on pass. Naturally, any good pilot should initially set up for this. If the other guy maneuvers off to the side, or otherwise doesn't bring his nose in my direction, I'm in no danger of being shot by him. Guess what?

I am going to pull the trigger.

And why wouldn't I? You're not morally superior to me if you presented a head-on guns-solution to me and did nothing about it, you're just dead.

[SPKmes]

I'm with Essay .... It is an unwritten rule so to speak, hmmm   not even that...it is just a mentality....Hoin was/has been around since day dot but not as prevalent as it is today.
it used to be you could get in anything from a 1v1  - a 3/4 V1 and the area of 10-2 was not a shooting zone....you could have and some did but generally not...it is now just the opposite.

There is no explaining it...if it is not understood then you will never get it....
But when you find that player/s who are of the same mind set, it is magic

I have found myself more and more being dragged down to the Ho out of pure frustration.....
This is a community thing though....I was shown a different way...that's right...I had help from the community...I was not berated and castrated as is the norm today...yes I got a little stick about it but more was positive and offering...But in the same breath I was open to learning

now to get right out of context....as I'm sure there will be many here that blah blah un written rule...you wrote that what a cop out......
shooting a pilot on the ground/in a chute (in real life) was done, yes...but not the norm and not even really accepted as right.

[danny76]

lol. Yep.

In a perfect merge, you want an almost straight head-on pass. Naturally, any good pilot should initially set up for this. If the other guy maneuvers off to the side, or otherwise doesn't bring his nose in my direction, I'm in no danger of being shot by him. Guess what?

I am going to pull the trigger.

And why wouldn't I? You're not morally superior to me if you presented a head-on guns-solution to me and did nothing about it, you're just dead.

I suppose this is the difference between guys who play this as a test of skill and guys who play this to kill other fella's.

If you blast the other guy in the face on the merge, and he dies, you have only got to kill 1 more or get a proxy before the name in lights and the wtg's.

I have started playing like Shida is suggesting, and consider everyone is a HOer. By the same token you should consider that every single player, will attempt to wait until you are engaged, and then pick you off.

Unless you are in the same area as the Nippon guys, then they will all ho, pick, run and fly in exactly the way you or me would fly in RL, ,as in, whatever disgraceful, low down, dastardly way you could to kill the other guy and survive, to maybe, if you were lucky, not have to pay to lose your virginity

My point being, I have tried to spend my time flying carefully and not diving in, but I have limited time to play and it simply bores me to tears.

[Wiley]

I suppose this is the difference between guys who play this as a test of skill and guys who play this to kill other fella's.

Um... I fly to not get shot.  If the other guy gets guns on me, regardless of the orientation of my plane, I failed to do my job.  Explain in detail how that is 'less skill'?

Wiley.

[danny76]

Um... I fly to not get shot.  If the other guy gets guns on me, regardless of the orientation of my plane, I failed to do my job.  Explain in detail how that is 'less skill'?

Wiley.

Well that depends on whether he failed to get guns on you because you were 20k above him, or whether he failed because you were on his 6 at 10 ft

[Skyyr]

Um... I fly to not get shot.  If the other guy gets guns on me, regardless of the orientation of my plane, I failed to do my job.  Explain in detail how that is 'less skill'?

Wiley.

There's a certain breed of pilot that thinks it's more honorable to "give the other guy a fair chance" than it is to kill their opponent as quickly and efficiently as possible. This same pilot also confuses efficiency in other pilots for a lack of skill. Never does it cross their mind that they could have prepared for the fight, as you had, before it began.

"The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting."
-- Sun Tzu

This is a fairly good analogy to those that think everyone who takes head-on passes can't fly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwDmV1KWrKQ

[Wiley]

Well that depends on whether he failed to get guns on you because you were 20k above him, or whether he failed because you were on his 6 at 10 ft

I never said I was bouncing him.  The two of us are close enough to each other to start shooting.  How is it not my responsibility to stay away from the sharp end of his plane?

Wiley.

[danny76]

I never said I was bouncing him.  The two of us are close enough to each other to start shooting.  How is it not my responsibility to stay away from the sharp end of his plane?

Wiley.

Well, it is 

[ink]

  The only thing that needs to be said about HOing is...  It takes 2 to HO.

this is incorrect

Dolby already explained it.