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Re: Complaints
« Reply #30 on: April 22, 2014, 08:40:50 PM »
When it comes to forum moderation, HTC is rather liberal compared to almost all game company official forums.  Heck, AH forums make our game forums and other MMO companies look like an utopian paradise.

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Re: Complaints
« Reply #31 on: April 22, 2014, 08:43:14 PM »
I'm not concerned that HTC bans people, I'm stunned someone can be clueless enough to get banned in the first place.  I mean, really, how caustic do you have to be to get kicked out of a game?  Some have fun trying to figure that out.  What an abysmal waste of time and energy.

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If that is true, banning players is akin to banning revenue.

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Re: Complaints
« Reply #32 on: April 22, 2014, 08:45:07 PM »
When it comes to forum moderation, HTC is rather liberal compared to almost all game company official forums.  Heck, AH forums make our game forums and other MMO companies look like an utopian paradise.

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Thats not the sentiment of your flamewarriors ilk.

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Re: Complaints
« Reply #33 on: April 22, 2014, 08:50:45 PM »
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Re: Complaints
« Reply #34 on: April 22, 2014, 08:52:20 PM »
Thats not the sentiment of your flamewarriors ilk.

And those with that sentiment over there were the ones that found themselves on the wrong side of the rules most of the time.  While I've found the moderation from time to time being inconsistent in the AH forums, it still has been more lax then the majority of other official game forums.  Hell, in our game you can't even mention another player's name in a post without the risk of getting the thread locked and a brief suspension or outright ban.

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Re: Complaints
« Reply #35 on: April 22, 2014, 09:06:24 PM »
Rule 4
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Re: Complaints
« Reply #36 on: April 22, 2014, 09:31:30 PM »
Wha?  That wasn't an attack?  It was opinion.
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Re: Complaints
« Reply #37 on: April 22, 2014, 11:31:42 PM »
Opinions are different than sarcasm.  Sarcasm gets met with sarcasm.

What I wrote wasn't sarcasm.  It was a truthful observation of what I see as common misconceptions.

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Re: Complaints
« Reply #38 on: April 22, 2014, 11:34:00 PM »
What I wrote wasn't sarcasm.  It was a truthful observation of what I see as common misconceptions.

That you phrased in the form of questions fielded from the public in a sarcastic undertone.  The fact they were truthful observations doesn't discount their flamebaitability.
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Re: Complaints
« Reply #39 on: April 22, 2014, 11:51:54 PM »
3. Of course individuals will have individual reasons to be upset. You are looking for reoccurring themes among those with their "set of picky reasons."

Whether a company does that or not is its own business, though -- it's not obligated to do so.  Also, it's unlikely they would do it unless it really was widely enough occurring.  Just because someone says "X sucks!" and 10 other people chime in with "Yeah!" doesn't mean it's widely occurring when the player base numbers in the many thousands.

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5. As you know not all people behave that rationally Brooke.

What I said is true whether or not someone is rational.  When a person feels that the game isn't worth his $x (whether that feeling is based on rational thought, irrational thought, sagacity, misperception, great insight, or profound ignorance), he will stop paying his $x.

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7. It does take work to share. That is why you pay a fee.

That isn't why you pay a fee.  You pay a fee because that's what the company charges for it's product and because you are willing to pay that for the product.  The product isn't design discussions.

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Re: Complaints
« Reply #40 on: April 22, 2014, 11:57:16 PM »
That you phrased in the form of questions fielded from the public in a sarcastic undertone.  The fact they were truthful observations doesn't discount their flamebaitability.

My tone wasn't sarcastic, and they aren't portrayed as questions from the public.  Those are common misperceptions, plainly and succinctly stated, that lots of people have -- both here and in the wider world.

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Re: Complaints
« Reply #41 on: April 23, 2014, 12:00:50 AM »
My tone wasn't sarcastic, and they aren't portrayed FROM questions from the public.  Those are common misperceptions, plainly and succinctly stated, that lots of people have -- both here and in the wider world.

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Re: Complaints
« Reply #42 on: April 23, 2014, 12:19:55 AM »
What I said is true whether or not someone is rational.  When a person feels that the game isn't worth his $x (whether that feeling is based on rational thought, irrational thought, sagacity, misperception, great insight, or profound ignorance), he will stop paying his $x.

Not true. A person could like the product and not want to deal with the person(s) creating the product.


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Re: Complaints
« Reply #43 on: April 23, 2014, 01:02:06 AM »
Not true. A person could like the product and not want to deal with the person(s) creating the product.

You pay the fee for the package. Customer service included.

True -- but that just means that it's not worth $x to the person.  My statement really was just semantics:  folks buy it or not at their own decision based on whether they want to or not.  That is their right.  That's all I was saying on that point.

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Re: Complaints
« Reply #44 on: April 23, 2014, 04:32:41 AM »
Consider the irony of this thread.
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