P47N Climb Rate?

[Scca]

Yes it is, it takes me quite awhile to chase them down in my TA152 sometimes. 

Better hope you don't catch mine 

[Zoney]

Better hope you don't catch mine 

I hope very much that I do find yours sir, I live for a high altitude fight 

[LilMak]

Better hope you don't catch mine 

He can't (if you're over 10k).

[Karnak]

He can't (if you're over 10k).

Oh, but he can.  The Ta152's WEP lasts twice as long.

It might recharge twice as fast too, not sure about that though.

[glzsqd]

it takes 5 minutes to recharge back to 10 minutes of wep, if managed properly you should never run out of Wep in the 152.

[LilMak]

Oh, but he can.  The Ta152's WEP lasts twice as long.

It might recharge twice as fast too, not sure about that though.

Fleet of 152s behind me in FSO when we had the M while I covered a set of 29s. Never got close in 10+ min of persuit. Wonder how I managed that? Guess they all sucked at WEP management.

[Lusche]

Oh, but he can.  The Ta152's WEP lasts twice as long.

It might recharge twice as fast too, not sure about that though.

Ta 152H has a 10/5 min WEP cycle. Which essentially boils down to "unlimited" WEP in practice.
The P-47N has 5/10 min WEP cycle.

[save]

The FW190A has 10min /change plane WEP cycle.

[Lusche]

Fleet of 152s behind me in FSO when we had the M while I covered a set of 29s. Never got close in 10+ min of persuit. Wonder how I managed that? Guess they all sucked at WEP management.

Up to 36K the 47N is faster than the Ta-152 when both are using WEP. It can take a lot of time in pursuit to compensate for this with a longer WEP duration, especially as acceleration is quite reduced at high altitudes.

[LilMak]

Up to 36K the 47N is faster than the Ta-152 when both are using WEP. It can take a lot of time in pursuit to compensate for this with a longer WEP duration, especially as acceleration is quite reduced at high altitudes.

Agreed. Which is why a TA152 won't catch a M/N at altitude. I think Karnak just likes to disagree with whatever I post.

[Lusche]

Which is why a TA152 won't catch a M/N at altitude.

As an avid Ta 152H pilot, I wouldn't go that far. It all depends on initial position and E state, and particularly pilot skill. Of course the latter one is always a big factor, but at really high altitudes the inexperienced pilot will find himself burn E much quicker and regain it much slower than at the usual MA altitudes. I have caught many a jug having apparently wasted it's WEP early on and/or shedding a lot of E with unnecessary manoeuvres


I really miss big escorted high altitude buff raids 

[Karnak]

Agreed. Which is why a TA152 won't catch a M/N at altitude. I think Karnak just likes to disagree with whatever I post.

Sorry, but I don't actually pay much attention to who said something.  I recalled Luche's posts on the Ta152's WEP and knew that it could overcome the P-47's higher speed on WEP via greater WEP endurance.  Particularly down lower such as the 10k you posted where accelerations haven't been gutted by thin air.

[LilMak]

Sigh. OK if the 152 pilot has 30 minutes to run the Jug down might catch it.

[bozon]

Sigh. OK if the 152 pilot has 30 minutes to run the Jug down might catch it.

At high altitudes, a chase that starts outside of gun range is limited by the Mach limit. The chased plane will lower its nose and can ride the compressibility for a good few minutes, completely irrespective of its max level speed. The chasing plane will do the same at its own Mach limit. WEP not needed and is not wasted. Not sure about the dive limits of the 152, but even if slightly higher than the P-47, the gap cannot be closed fast, if at all. A 152 will have to chase the P47N all the way down to the deck, by which time they have covered about 2 sectors. When finally at low altitudes the N can start using its 5 minutes of WEP which at max-speed level flight will carry it another 35-40 miles at a speed faster than the 152.

If the 152 will ever catch the P47N/M it will either be right at the beginning if the chase started from a small separation, or after a chase of at least 4 sectors. Good luck to the 152 with that.

[Zacherof]

Yes it is, it takes me quite awhile to chase them down in my TA152 sometimes. 

this a good chase at 50k