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They are estimating in the 3$-6$ a gallon range to produce jet fuel from sea water.

http://www.nrl.navy.mil/media/news-releases/2014/scale-model-wwii-craft-takes-flight-with-fuel-from-the-sea-concept
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Re: The NAVY is getting somewhere with turning seawater into jet fuel.
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2014, 02:49:33 AM »
Great way to convert nuclear power to chemical fuel. Without a cheap and abundant energy source it's useless though.
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Re: The NAVY is getting somewhere with turning seawater into jet fuel.
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2014, 05:44:32 AM »
Not useless for a nuclear navy that needs a lot of jet fuel to keep their carrier air wings operational. It's not really about economics...
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Re: The NAVY is getting somewhere with turning seawater into jet fuel.
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2014, 05:50:28 AM »
"After many years of work and countless millions of dollars, we can now fly this model aircraft."


Just another military spending program.

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Re: The NAVY is getting somewhere with turning seawater into jet fuel.
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2014, 08:20:57 AM »
Hopefully it works better than the Navy's failed attempt to replace some petroleum fuel with bio fuel from seaweed.  They were paying $20+ a gallon for the seaweed fuel, after 10 years of research and development.

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Re: The NAVY is getting somewhere with turning seawater into jet fuel.
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2014, 09:41:37 AM »
Again you're arguing economics rather than logistics. The value of a nuclear supercarrier that don't need refueling at sea to keep its aircraft flying is almost beyond measuring in Dollars...

In constant wartime operation a Nimitz-class needs refueling every 2-3 days, by highly vulnerable fleet oilers. It's a logistical nightmare.

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Re: The NAVY is getting somewhere with turning seawater into jet fuel.
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2014, 01:46:23 PM »
Not useless for a nuclear navy that needs a lot of jet fuel to keep their carrier air wings operational. It's not really about economics...

Well duh a nuclear carrier obviously has an abundant energy source. This invention reaches far beyond military use though as it can demolish phossil fuel dependance as long as cheap power is available.
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Re: The NAVY is getting somewhere with turning seawater into jet fuel.
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2014, 02:24:54 PM »
You're assuming the US Navy will share this technology...
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Re: The NAVY is getting somewhere with turning seawater into jet fuel.
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2014, 03:32:28 PM »
Well duh a nuclear carrier obviously has an abundant energy source. This invention reaches far beyond military use though as it can demolish phossil fuel dependance as long as cheap power is available.

Also, being able to create jet fuel means less need for current fuel tank storage aboard a cv, which means extra room for other stuff like beer.  :cheers:

As hybrid cars become more popular and gasoline consumption drops, prices for jet fuel will skyrocket.

Another bad thing about the Navy being dependent on land based fuel reserve tanks is they are an easy target for future Mach 7+ cruise missile systems.

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Re: The NAVY is getting somewhere with turning seawater into jet fuel.
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2014, 04:28:14 PM »
You're assuming the US Navy will share this technology...

They'd be crazy not to. Of course they can continue paying OPEC billions instead.
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Re: The NAVY is getting somewhere with turning seawater into jet fuel.
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2014, 05:03:38 PM »
I don't see the US military sharing this technology anytime soon.
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Re: The NAVY is getting somewhere with turning seawater into jet fuel.
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2014, 05:16:39 PM »
I suspect if this works out for a nuclear carrier, it will have land based possibilities with scaled down thorium reactors to provide point of processing unlimited power. Say a plant about the size of San Diego's new $1.6B water desalinization plant due to be online next year. Then the eco weirdoes will be crying that the intake vents are sucking up shamu , flipper and that crab from the little mermaid. So the rest of the country has to live in mud huts as penance.

There are 3 different teams of graduate students around the world who are almost finished developing cheap readily available catalysts other than exotic platinum, rhodium, or palladium hybrids for turning tap water into hydrogen in real time. The NAVY having a bigger budget(American taxpayers) can afford the very expensive best while their nuclear power plants provide unlimited energy to power the reaction. That's why for now this will work out for the NAVY but, not us.

The catalyst gets used up in the process. But, the process works. Keeping tabs on the catalyst development will be the telling thing for the future of civilian development.

Think about Ironman and his problems with Palladium as his arc reactor catalyst. He had to keep feeding the reactor. Wonder where the writers got the inspiration for that............

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Re: The NAVY is getting somewhere with turning seawater into jet fuel.
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2014, 07:45:49 PM »
I will go one further, if a carrier can convert "on the fly" sea water into fuel for combat aircraft, then why cannot the same system be implemented into the carrier herself?


Its a ship, that can now literally use the very ocean it floats on, as a bed of fuel.
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Re: The NAVY is getting somewhere with turning seawater into jet fuel.
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2014, 11:52:56 PM »
I will go one further, if a carrier can convert "on the fly" sea water into fuel for combat aircraft, then why cannot the same system be implemented into the carrier herself?


Its a ship, that can now literally use the very ocean it floats on, as a bed of fuel.

Because if it already has a nuclear reactor it's much easyer to use it with steam turbines. Aircraft can't run on steam for very long.
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Re: The NAVY is getting somewhere with turning seawater into jet fuel.
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2014, 01:46:57 AM »
Again you're arguing economics rather than logistics. The value of a nuclear supercarrier that don't need refueling at sea to keep its aircraft flying is almost beyond measuring in Dollars...

In constant wartime operation a Nimitz-class needs refueling every 2-3 days, by highly vulnerable fleet oilers. It's a logistical nightmare.

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Why is it a logical nightmare?

Who and what is going to stop the refuellinng of said ships?

These sweeping statements based on what?

Has the US navy stated their oilers have been under threat?

The oil companies would also have something to say about loss of revenue :)

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