If You Like 109's

[Someguy63]

Scholz showed me via that video that the slats cause no movement of the aircraft upon deployment. And I'm still supposing that this feature in AH is incorrect since they deploy only a split second before/after each other.

I'm no P38 pilot, but to be in a K4 the last thing I'd want to do is try and out turn him. I'd rather get the fight to slow speeds where that heavy 38 doesn't fare so well.

Out climb

[GScholz]

I'm not sure what tactic the P-38 can employ to defeat the 109K. It seems very one sided from a performance perspective. Pilot skill can make a difference of course, but with equal skill and initial E-state the P-38 is at an almost insurmountable disadvantage. There probably are a few tricks the P-38 can use given its torqueless engine setup, but he would have to be very good and very lucky. If caught in a bad situation the 109 can just disengage at will and reset the encounter.

[Someguy63]

I'm not sure what tactic the P-38 can employ to defeat the 109K. It seems very one sided from a performance perspective. Pilot skill can make a difference of course, but with equal skill and initial E-state the P-38 is at an almost insurmountable disadvantage. There probably are a few tricks the P-38 can use given its torqueless engine setup, but he would have to be very good and very lucky. If caught in a bad situation the 109 can just disengage at will and reset the encounter.

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After the P38 is slow the 109 basically has the fight IMO, the 38 just doesn't have better handling. Especially when it's heavy on fuel.

[LCADolby]

The P38 can hang on the props and ruin the K4s day. Always be wary of that fact.

[darkzking]

idk whenever im in a p38 vs a k4 i try and get the fight slow becuase if they try and turn there dead and what most k4 pilots do is try and go up but the p38 can really hang so i just go up with them and shoot them down

After the P38 is slow the 109 basically has the fight IMO, the 38 just doesn't have better handling. Especially when it's heavy on fuel.

[Rich46yo]

So theres nothing you can do in a particular speed envelope, using the 38s flaps, to gain and advantage? Or at least a snap shot?

Actually Ive been spending a little time in K4s. The thing can accurately be described as a BEAST!

[darkzking]

So theres nothing you can do in a particular speed envelope, using the 38s flaps, to gain and advantage? Or at least a snap shot?

If u kick out the 1st flap in the 1st immelman of the merge sometimes you can get an oppurtinity for a good snapshot

[GScholz]

idk whenever im in a p38 vs a k4 i try and get the fight slow becuase if they try and turn there dead and what most k4 pilots do is try and go up but the p38 can really hang so i just go up with them and shoot them down

109K-4 out turns the 38. However most K-4 pilots aren't very good.

[GScholz]

So theres nothing you can do in a particular speed envelope, using the 38s flaps, to gain and advantage? Or at least a snap shot?

Actually Ive been spending a little time in K4s. The thing can accurately be described as a BEAST!

It all depends on pilot skill. Most K-4 pilots aren't very good, but you have the odds stacked against you. If you're in the 38L you have better roll rate and control authority at high speed, but it is difficult to use that offensively.

[Someguy63]

The P38 can hang on the props and ruin the K4s day. Always be wary of that fact.

Well I never knew that, I thought it was a fat pig like jugs.

[darkzking]

109K-4 out turns the 38. However most K-4 pilots aren't very good.

Never seen a 109k4 outturn a p38 hell i havent seen any 109 besides the F model do it (possible g2)

[GScholz]

Never seen a 109k4 outturn a p38 hell i havent seen any 109 besides the F model do it (possible g2)

P-38J/L is one of the worst turning aircraft in the game. All the 109s out turn it. The following is the sustained turning performance of the P-38L vs 109K:

BF 109K-4 25% fuel
Radius: 706 feet / 534 feet (full flaps)
DPS: 19.6

P-38L 25% fuel
Radius: 820 feet / 630 feet (full flaps)
DPS: 18.9

The 109K-4 even out turns the P-38G, albeit by a smaller margin.

[darkzking]

never trap myself in a huge long turn fight with them because within the time it takes to drop down to 180-200 mph had plenty of time within there turn to shoot them down. I believe full flap turns with the p38 makes it a worse turner then with 1-2 flaps out could be wrong though

[GScholz]

Yeah, I think you're wrong.

Edit: Sorry if I'm a bit abrupt. No offense intended. 

[FLS]

I believe full flap turns with the p38 makes it a worse turner then with 1-2 flaps out could be wrong though

That's correct. Flaps generally add more lift than drag for the first 50% of deployment after which it's more drag than lift. The maneuvering setting for the P-38 was half extended. With 2 notches of flaps the P-38L in AH will turn over 20 dps at 180mph and with 3 notches over 20 dps at 165mph.