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Offline Cthulhu

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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #405 on: August 10, 2014, 11:14:58 AM »
All of these planes designers made a decision of structural spar weight versus drag I would guess.  Not a bad design at that moment in time.  Material advances and new spar technology including advances in calculation methods would eliminate those today with the exception of the ag plane where is strength trumps drag on this specialty plane(Note the mirror).
In many cases, it's not just the weight of the wing spars Randy, but that of the upper wing skins as well. Being in compression, they're often thicker than the lower wing skins in a monocoque or semi-monocoque design to avoid bucking issues.
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« Reply #406 on: August 10, 2014, 12:07:12 PM »
Ok. Moving forward again.  :rofl

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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #407 on: August 10, 2014, 12:12:20 PM »
Ok. Moving forward again.  :rofl

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I'm working on it. For a moment I thought it might be Glen Curtiss' flying AMC Pacer from 1932. :)
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« Reply #408 on: August 10, 2014, 01:08:57 PM »
You've been on the board since 1999? I have been a structural engineer with Lockheed since 1978. How about if I comment on YOUR idiotic post?? Prior to the availability of high strength aluminum alloys (typically 24xx series ), and the evolution of semi-monocoque designs, external bracing was often the only way to handle wing bending moments. And even for some modern low speed applications (say a crop duster), the addition strength and rigidity it offers may still be preferable to the additional airframe weight required to eliminate the bracing.

There are some very knowledgeable guys on this forum, so before you start spewing some half-baked BS, rest assured that some of them (Karnak & Widewing come to mind) will take you to the mat face first.  :rolleyes:

I deal with aluminum on a daily basis.  Apparently you don't know about its age-hardening qualities.  At the moment, I am trying my best to repair and document an aluminum (6000 series) storage tank that continually cracks, even from the heat of a grinding wheel.  Send your structural engineering degree back to the college you went to, maybe they will refund your money owing to the lack of education you received.

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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #409 on: August 10, 2014, 01:24:34 PM »
I have truly enjoyed this thread, up to the last day or so.

Thanks to all who have contributed their time and knowledge to such a fascinating subject such as aviation history.

DaveBB,
 Thanks for taking what was a good thread and turning it into something wasted. I can't help but wonder if that doesn't sum up you in general.

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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #410 on: August 10, 2014, 01:30:43 PM »
I deal with aluminum on a daily basis.  Apparently you don't know about its age-hardening qualities.  At the moment, I am trying my best to repair and document an aluminum (6000 series) storage tank that continually cracks, even from the heat of a grinding wheel.  Send your structural engineering degree back to the college you went to, maybe they will refund your money owing to the lack of education you received.

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6000 series is alloyed with both silicon and magnesium and was intended to be precipitation hardened. Your grinding wheel is possibly causing localized hardness. You're probably chasing your own cracks.




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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #411 on: August 10, 2014, 02:24:13 PM »
I have truly enjoyed this thread, up to the last day or so.

Thanks to all who have contributed their time and knowledge to such a fascinating subject such as aviation history.

DaveBB,
 Thanks for taking what was a good thread and turning it into something wasted. I can't help but wonder if that doesn't sum up you in general.

Maybe you should have checked out the threads called "Name that plane" that were prevalent for about 10 years.
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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #412 on: August 10, 2014, 02:24:39 PM »
Ok. Moving forward again.  :rofl

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SFCA Maillet 21. A tourist flying French plane.



Now... What the heck is this?

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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #413 on: August 10, 2014, 02:25:39 PM »
I deal with aluminum on a daily basis.  Apparently you don't know about its age-hardening qualities.  At the moment, I am trying my best to repair and document an aluminum (6000 series) storage tank that continually cracks, even from the heat of a grinding wheel.  Send your structural engineering degree back to the college you went to, maybe they will refund your money owing to the lack of education you received.

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If I want weldability, or cheap rims for a car, I'll go with 6000 series. We typically stick with 7075 for strength, though I did work with a big 2219 hand forging once on a launcher. (we waited  months for Alcoa to get that thing to us, only to see the NC end mill skip a command and turn it into scrap, but I digress).
For your nonsense, I'll stick with the cheaper 5000 series stuff they make lawn furniture out of so we can all sit back and have a good laugh at your BS. In BIOLOGY no less. :rofl

Btw, 5000 series would also be less susceptible to all that heat your generating with that grinder, but undoubtedly you learned that back when you were growing all those aluminum cultures in petri dishes in school.  :rofl

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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #414 on: August 10, 2014, 02:27:04 PM »
Just as a side note.  The Wonder Woman episode Flight to Oblivion used the Martin Marietta X-24B as its super secret plane the bad guys were after.  I thought the Martin Marietta X-24B had been posted here but could not find it listed.

Cthulhu, I had not thought of the Skin weight.  A real good point.

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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #415 on: August 10, 2014, 02:28:27 PM »



Now... What the heck is this?

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Dude, that's a Fiat.
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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #416 on: August 10, 2014, 02:30:20 PM »
I have truly enjoyed this thread, up to the last day or so.

Thanks to all who have contributed their time and knowledge to such a fascinating subject such as aviation history.

DaveBB,
 Thanks for taking what was a good thread and turning it into something wasted. I can't help but wonder if that doesn't sum up you in general.

SIM,

Please don't let one heated sidebar ruin your experience on this thread. I started this thread to be a light-hearted and an enlightening forum for we fellow aviation enthusiast to test the boundaries of our aircraft knowledge at the basic level of airframe recognition and identification. It was my hope, which continues to be fulfilled despite the trolling, for us all the challenge and then learn from one another. The previous pages here have clearly revealed to us all just how grand and masterful the scope of manned powered flight is across both time and distance. The sheer number of airframe types produces since Orville and Wilbur first took to the skies is astronomical. I fully intend to continue posting pictures of rare and wonderful aircraft for us all to guess and learn about. And I certainly hope you all will too. Let's right this ship, so to speak, save the structural debating for a separate thread and get back to the fun of the post, research and the educated guess. Thank you.

Now GScholz guessed my French touring plane. Cthulhu guesses his pic correctly to be a Fiat ( a G91 to be exact) so now its his move to post.
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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #417 on: August 10, 2014, 02:33:07 PM »
SFCA Maillet 21. A tourist flying French plane.



Now... What the heck is this?

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Interesting C of G. Must have a small engine.


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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #418 on: August 10, 2014, 02:36:49 PM »
SIM,

Please don't let one heated sidebar ruin your experience on this thread. I started this thread to be a light-hearted and an enlightening forum for we fellow aviation enthusiast to test the boundaries of our aircraft knowledge at the basic level of airframe recognition and identification. It was my hope, which continues to be fulfilled despite the trolling, for us all the challenge and then learn from one another. The previous pages here have clearly revealed to us all just how grand and masterful the scope of manned powered flight is across both time and distance. The sheer number of airframe types produces since Orville and Wilbur first took to the skies is astronomical. I fully intend to continue posting pictures of rare and wonderful aircraft for us all to guess and learn about. And I certainly hope you all will too. Let's right this ship, so to speak, save the structural debating for a separate thread and get back to the fun of the post, research and the educated guess. Thank you.

Now Gscholz guessed my French touring plane. So let's take a crack at his new posted aircraft. Shall we?
Absolutely, this is a great thread. Let's keep it rolling.  :aok
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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #419 on: August 10, 2014, 02:37:48 PM »
Absolutely, this is a great thread. Let's keep it rolling.  :aok

Your up sir. Please give us a good stumper!  :x
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