New axis bomber

[Rich46yo]

Its functional but not pretty.

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True Beauty.

Its an Angel with wings. I wish I could ask one on a date.

The DO is probably the best bet tho it would be helpless against attacking fighters unless it could somehow out run them.

[matt]

+1 to get more maps approved then more hardware..

[lunatic1]

Here's a pretty one to rid your eyes and mind of German ugly:

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  thankyou very much

[Denniss]

The posted Ju 188 range is a 'tad' wrong, with 3t of bombs (and 1680l of fuel) range was below 1000km. The first time I hear of had MW-50 use in Ju 188, that was a late 44 introduction on the Fw 190D-9 but not Ju 188. Some may have had GM-1 though. Ju 188A should be a bit faster, ~330-335 mph

[glzsqd]

 +3 for all of these birds. We need some competitive Axis Buffs in the MA.

[Karnak]

The thread title is quite misleading.  It ought to read "New German bomber", not "New axis bomber".

The three listed German bombers are undoubtedly the leading candidates for a new Axis bomber from Germany.  Lets also put the leading options from Italy and Japan into the mix to make the thread about a new Axis bomber.

SM.79-II:

Crew: 6 (pilot, co-pilot, flight engineer/gunner, radio operator, bombardier, rear gunner)
Length: 16.2 m (53 ft 2 in)
Wingspan: 20.2 m (66 ft 3 in)
Height: 4.1 m (13 ft 6 in)
Wing area: 61.7 m² (664 ft²)
Empty weight: 7,700 kg (16,975 lb)
Loaded weight: 10,050 kg (25,132 lb)
Powerplant: 3 × Alfa Romeo 128-RC18 radial engines, 642 kW (860 hp) each
Maximum speed: 460 km/h (286 mph) at 3,790 m (12,450 ft)
Range: 2,600 km (1,615 mi)
Service ceiling: 7,500 m (24,600 ft)
Rate of climb: 5.3 m/s (1,050 ft/min)
Wing loading: 165 kg/m² (33.8 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 0.173 kW/kg (0.106 hp/lb)
Guns:
2 × 12.7 mm (0.5 in)  Breda-SAFAT machine gun
2 × 7.7 mm (0.303 in) machine guns in lateral "waist-gun" ports (optional)
Bombs:
1,200 kg (2,645 lb) internal bomb load or two external 450 millimetres (17.72 in) torpedoes

SM.82

Crew: 4
Capacity: 40 troops
Length: 22.9 m (75 ft 1½ in)
Wingspan: 29.68 m (97 ft 4½ in)
Height: 6.0 m (19 ft 8.25 in)
Wing area: 118.6 m² (1,276.64 ft²)
Empty weight: 10,550 kg (bomber 11,200 kg) (23,259 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 18,020 kg (bomber 18,410 kg) (39,727 lb)
Powerplant: 3 × Alfa Romeo 128 RC.21 9-cylinder radial engines, 708 kW (950 hp) each
Maximum speed: 347 km/h (187 kn, 212 mph)
Cruise speed: 250 km/h (135 kn, 125 mph) at 3,000 m (9,840 ft)
Stall speed: 110 km/h (59 kn, 68 mph)
Range: 2,100 km (1,134 nmi, 1,864 mi)
Service ceiling: 6,000 m (19,685 ft)
Guns:
1 × 12.7 mm (.5 in) Scotti machine gun in dorsal turret
3 × 7.7 mm (.303 in) Breda-SAFAT machine guns in ventral and lateral positions
Bombs:
4,000 kg (8,818 lb) bombload

Cant Z.1007

Crew: 5
Length: 18.35 m (60 ft 2.5 in)
Wingspan: 24.80 m (81 ft 4.5 in)
Height: 5.22 m (17 ft 1.5 in)
Wing area: 70 m² (750 ft²)
Empty weight: 9,396 kg (20,715 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 13,621 kg (30,029 lb)
Powerplant: 3 × Piaggio P.XI RC.40 radial engines, 745 kW (1,000 hp) each
Maximum speed: 458 km/h (245 kn, 285 mph)
Cruise speed: 338 km/h (183 kn, 210 mph)
Range: 1,795 km (969 nmi, 1,115 mi)
Service ceiling: 7,500 m (25,000 ft)
Guns:
2 × 12.7 mm (0.5 in) Isotta-Fraschini Scotti or Breda-SAFAT machine guns
2 × 7.7 mm (0.303 in) Breda-SAFAT machine guns
Bombs:
1,200 kg (2,645 lb) of bombs internally. 1,000 kg (2,200 lb) externally on underwing hardpoints. Or a combined load of 2,200 kg (4,900 lb) of bombs internally and on external hardpoints.
2 × 450 mm (17.7 in) 800 kg (1,800 lb), torpedoes

Ki-21-II 'Sally'

Crew: 5-7
Length: 16.0 m (52 ft 6 in)
Wingspan: 22.50 m (73 ft 10 in)
Height: 4.85 m (15 ft 11 in)
Wing area: 69.90 m² (752.12 ft²)
Empty weight: 6,070 kg (13,354 lb)
Loaded weight: 10,600 kg (23,320 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Mitsubishi Army Type 100 (Ha-101)(Mitsubishi Kasei) 14 cylinder radial engine, 1,119 kW (1,500 hp) each
Propellers: three-blade metal variable-pitch propellers propeller
Maximum speed: 485 km/h (301 mph) at 4,700 m (15,400 ft)
Cruise speed: 380 km/h (236 mph)
Range: 2,700 km (1,680 mi)
Service ceiling: 10,000 m (32,800 ft)
Rate of climb: 13 min 13 sec to 6,000 m (19,680 ft)
Guns:
4× 7.7 mm (.303 in) flexible Type 89 machine guns in nose, ventral, beam and tail positions
1× 12.7 mm (.50 in) Type 1 Machine Gun in dorsal turret
Bombs:
1,000 kg (2,200 lb) of bombs

P1Y1 Ginga 'Frances'

Crew: 3
Length: 15.00 m (49 ft 2⅜ in)
Wingspan: 20.00 m (65 ft 7¼ in)
Height: 4.30 m (14 ft 1¼ in)
Wing area: 55 m² (592 ft²)
Empty weight: 7,265 kg (16,020 lb)
Loaded weight: 10,500 kg (23,149 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 13,500 kg (29,762 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Nakajima NK9C Homare 12 18-cylinder radial engines, 1,361 kW (1,825 hp) (take-off) each
Maximum speed: 547 km/h (295 knot, 340 mph) at 5,900 m (19,400 ft)
Cruise speed: 370 km/h (200 knots, 230 mph) at 4,000 m (13,125 ft)
Range: 5,370 km (2,900 nmi, 3,337 mi)
Service ceiling: 9,400 m (30,840 ft)
Wing loading: 191 kg/m² (39.1 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 0.20 kW/kg (0.16 hp/lb)
Guns:
1× flexible, nose-mounted 20 mm Type 99 cannon
1× flexible rear-firing 13 mm Type 2 machine gun
Bombs:
up to 1,000 kg (2,205 lb) of bombs or 1× 800 kg (1,800 lb) torpedo

H8K2 'Emily'

Crew: 10
Length: 28.15 m (92 ft 4 in)
Wingspan: 38.00 m (124 ft 8 in)
Height: 9.15 m (30 ft)
Wing area: 160 m² (1,721 ft²)
Empty weight: 18,380 kg (40,436 lb)
Loaded weight: 24,500 kg (53,900 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 32,500 kg (71,500 lb)
Powerplant: 4 × Mitsubishi Kasei 22 radial engines, 1,380 kW (1,850 hp) each
Maximum speed: 465 km/h (290 mph)
Range: 7,150 km (4,440 mi)
Service ceiling: 8,760 m (28,740 ft)
Rate of climb: 8.1 m/s (1,600 ft/min)
Wing loading: 153 kg/m² (31 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 0.22 kW/kg (0.14 hp/lb
Guns:
5× 20 mm Type 99 cannon (one each in bow, dorsal, and tail turrets, plus one each in two waist blisters)
5× 7.7 mm (.303 in) Type 92 machine guns in fuselage hatches
Bombs:
2× 800 kg (1,764 lb) torpedoes or 2,000 kg (4,410 lb) of bombs or depth charges


There we go, nine prospective Axis bombers.  Do217E, H8K2, He177A-5, Ju188A-1, Ki-21-II, P1Y1, SM.79-II, SM.82 and Z.1007.

[GScholz]

That the Germans never developed any long-range heavy bombers is a persisting myth. They never built many of them though due to their other war needs, but a few were built for specialized purposes. Here's one that's interesting:


Ju 290A-5 Long-range reconnaissance bomber and transport (A-6)




Less than 100 were built from 1942 to 1944, but this would be an MA worthy addition. Model can also be re-used for the heavy transport version. This aircraft replaced the Fw 200 as the Luftwaffe's maritime reconnaissance bomber. It also served as a long-range transport and flew over the Soviet Union at night to Japan and back. After the war the Americans took one across the Atlantic.

It would be the most heavily armed bomber in the game with six MG 151/20 and two MG131.


Crew: 9
Length: 93 ft 11 in (28.64 m)
Wingspan: 137 ft 9 in (42.00 m)
Height: 22 ft 5 in (6.83 m)
Wing area: 2,191 ft² (203 m²)
Empty weight: 72,611 lb (33,005 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 99,141 lb (44,970 kg)
Powerplant: 4× BMW 801G/H 14-cylinder radial engines, 1,700 hp (1,268 kW) each
Maximum speed: 273 mph (440 km/h)
Range: 3,843 mi (6,150 km)

Guns
2 × 20 mm MG 151/20 cannons in dorsal turrets
1 × 20 mm MG 151/20 in tail
2 × MG 151/20s at waist
1 × MG 151/20 in gondola
2 × 13 mm (.51 in) MG 131 machine guns in gondola

3,000 kg (6,600 lb) of disposable stores or up to three Fritz X or Henschel Hs 293 radio-guided munitions

FuG 200 Hohentwiel radar

A-6 transport could carry 50 passengers or cargo.





Here's one being shot down by 14 squadron RAF:

[Ack-Ack]

There we go, nine prospective Axis bombers.  Do217E, H8K2, He177A-5, Ju188A-1, Ki-21-II, P1Y1, SM.79-II, SM.82 and Z.1007.

I'd also add the Ki-48 "Lily" to the list.

ack-ack

[Volron]

Oh HELL YES to more Japanese bombers!

[Karnak]

Here's one being shot down by 14 squadron RAF:

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Where was that?  14 Squadron flew Wellesleys, Blenheims, Marauders and Wellingtons in WWII.  The only one of those that seems like it might have a decent shot at beating a Ju290 would be the B-26 Marauder.

[GScholz]

The caption said it was in the Med somewhere.

[Karnak]

The caption said it was in the Med somewhere.

Would have been B-26s at that time.

[alpini13]

+1