.22 LR Bullet Question

[FLS]

He should have mentioned this to whoever wrote the original manual, then.

"2.  Do not carry the pistol in the holster with the hammer cocked and safety lock on, except in an emergency."

http://books.google.com/books?id=hs9BAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA16&dq=second+finger+on+trigger&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1#v=onepage&q=second%20finger%20on%20trigger&f=false

- oldman

You left half of number 2 back at the link. Where it says, if you carry condition 1 don't knock the safety off accidentally when drawing.

[Oldman731]

You left half of number 2 back at the link. Where it says, if you carry condition 1 don't knock the safety off accidentally when drawing.

My guess is that's the principal reason they advised you not to carry the piece cocked and locked.

Hey, I'm not standing in the way of progress, but I don't think that John Browning intended people to carry in Condition One.  It works that way, but that wasn't the point of the post.

And frankly, I'm with Cap1.  I carry mine with an empty chamber and the hammer cocked.  If I had it in a hip holster I might choose differently, but in a shoulder holster I always worry about what's behind me.

- oldman

[FLS]

When I read a warning that your personal defense weapon should be carried unable to fire I assume it was written by a liability lawyer.
I'm not disputing your choice. You know your situation best.

[SmokinLoon]

He should have mentioned this to whoever wrote the original manual, then.

"2.  Do not carry the pistol in the holster with the hammer cocked and safety lock on, except in an emergency."

http://books.google.com/books?id=hs9BAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA16&dq=second+finger+on+trigger&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1#v=onepage&q=second%20finger%20on%20trigger&f=false

- oldman

If I have to go in to details as to why you read what you did, and the differences of design and purpose, then the point will miss you regardless.

As for those who make mention of not carrying a round in the chamber on a hunting rifle, there are no issues with that and I for one do the same.  Empty chamber, with striker/firing pin cocked, and round in magazine.  Upon the beginning of a stalk I'll load the chamber and keep the safety on.  Hunting rifles are an entirely different monster than a combat handgun.  Another monster even yet is a varmint rifle with a "target" trigger, meaning a trigger so light that barely touching it will release the striker.  The trigger on my Savage 112FV/.223 built in 1994 has an adjustable trigger and even slamming the bolt home (very) hard will set the rifle off.  So, unless I'm on a bench or on top of a prairie dog mound sending varmints every which way but down, there is no round in the chamber.  Thankfully, after years of use and thousands of rounds (yes, 1000's) the action is as smoooooth as glass and a slam fire has not happened in years.  My coyote gun is a Rem 700 ADL/.22-250 and that trigger is set to factory weight.  That too keeps an empty chamber until I'm in my spot to call in the 'yotes.  My antelope/deer rifle is a Rem 700 Mt Rifle in 7mm-08, an that too keeps an empty chamber until the stalk begins.  I HIGHLY recommend the use of the safety in hunting rifles while in the act of hunting.  Learn the rifle, that means investing in ammo, range time, and function time (act of hunting). 

[Oldman731]

If I have to go in to details as to why you read what you did, and the differences of design and purpose, then the point will miss you regardless.

Try me, sharp guy.

- oldman

[SmokinLoon]

Try me, sharp guy.

- oldman

.... if you can't distinguish between design and function, vs application... then what difference would it make for me to spell it out?

[Oldman731]

.... if you can't distinguish between design and function, vs application... then what difference would it make for me to spell it out?

...why...you would educate the ignorant, always a worthy goal.

- oldman

[SmokinLoon]

...why...you would educate the ignorant, always a worthy goal.

- oldman

Ignorance isn't what you have, perhaps confusion maybe?  Hence me spelling out the three terms in which I was describing in my original statement. 

[FLS]

Ignorance isn't what you have, perhaps confusion maybe?  Hence me spelling out the three terms in which I was describing in my original statement. 

It's good for reasonable people to think differently and have different points of view.  You often learn something new.

[CAP1]

My guess is that's the principal reason they advised you not to carry the piece cocked and locked.

Hey, I'm not standing in the way of progress, but I don't think that John Browning intended people to carry in Condition One.  It works that way, but that wasn't the point of the post.

And frankly, I'm with Cap1.  I carry mine with an empty chamber and the hammer cocked.  If I had it in a hip holster I might choose differently, but in a shoulder holster I always worry about what's behind me.

- oldman

 i carry mine in a blackhawk cqb holster. i'm in/out of cars a lot, and worry about bumping the safety to the off position...and you know how the trigger is on a good 1911. 

 that said, as mentioned, when i've taken courses, we've practiced transitioning from rifle to pistol, and it is honestly amazing just how easy/quick it is to have the pistol drawn, racked, and presented.

[Aspen]

Guilty of not reading every post so I apologize if this is a repeat.  Many of those F.I.E single actions do not have a transfer bar.  What this means is that when the hammer is down on a loaded chamber it engages the firing pin.  More modern designs use a transfer bar that transfers the hammer blow to the firing pin when fired, but allows dropping the hammer slowly on a loaded chamber with no hammer to firing pin contact.

Short version is that  with no transfer bar, its best to carry with the chamber under the hammer empty.  So on a 6 shooter you load 5.  Otherwise you have a firing pin resting against a primer.   

[SmokinLoon]

Guilty of not reading every post so I apologize if this is a repeat.  Many of those F.I.E single actions do not have a transfer bar.  What this means is that when the hammer is down on a loaded chamber it engages the firing pin.  More modern designs use a transfer bar that transfers the hammer blow to the firing pin when fired, but allows dropping the hammer slowly on a loaded chamber with no hammer to firing pin contact.

Short version is that  with no transfer bar, its best to carry with the chamber under the hammer empty.  So on a 6 shooter you load 5.  Otherwise you have a firing pin resting against a primer.   

I cant even begin to think of when transfer bars were standard for revolvers, too.  I know my Mod. 10 made in 1967 has a "hammer block safety", or transfer bar as most know it as.  Ditto for my newer Mod 67 and 686+.  Also, iirc, it is the 1911A1 and later models that all have the hammer block safety.  So I'm guessing all of the 1911's models post 1920's will have a hammer block.

Even my Ruger Vaquero single action revolver has a hammer block transfer bar.