New 2015 mustang looks like a aston martin wannabe

[CAP1]

Not sure what this means... My past in Ford: consultant, Vehicle Dynamics, Internal Vehicle Dynamicist - Test and Virtual Proto, Product Planner, Material Cost Specialist: Design Efficiency, Global Cost and Tooling, Target Setting Expert...

I work directly with all major programs worldwide early phase to define cost and content (and that inculded this one). Much of my current work is in helping engineers define content and cost tradeoffs. I help shape the programs directly. I'm very pleased with what WE, the Ford Leadership Team, have done for the Company since about '06.

The rest of your screed sounds like the kind of stuff most car guys would call emotive "noise". I love the way you infer personality from possession, then accuse our buyers of the same thing. A shrink would call it projection.

Beyond that, if you want to talk cars, this is a car thread, for car guys.

 

[TheCrazyOrange]

Not sure what this means... My past in Ford: consultant, Vehicle Dynamics, Internal Vehicle Dynamicist - Test and Virtual Proto, Product Planner, Material Cost Specialist: Design Efficiency, Global Cost and Tooling, Target Setting Expert...

I work directly with all major programs worldwide early phase to define cost and content (and that inculded this one). Much of my current work is in helping engineers define content and cost tradeoffs. I help shape the programs directly. I'm very pleased with what WE, the Ford Leadership Team, have done for the Company since about '06.

The rest of your screed sounds like the kind of stuff most car guys would call emotive "noise". I love the way you infer personality from possession, then accuse our buyers of the same thing. A shrink would call it projection.

Beyond that, if you want to talk cars, this is a car thread, for car guys.

It means if you didn't design the car, you're not the one being beat. The Ford brand and the Ford engineers are the ones that got beat. Is there any way you you self could have made the Shelby's any faster? If not, it's the engineers.

[PJ_Godzilla]

Okay, CO, I'll accept your rationale and, understand, I won't vilify you because you're probably a decent person BUT that's not how it works.

How it actually works is that the Attriubte Engineers as k for the moon, the Functional Engineers try  to deliver it, and MArketing comes and pees in everybody's cornflakes by telling us we can't get revenue for it. They instead tell us what revenue to expect and the Program makes engineering design within that cost box.

If engineers had it their way, you'd probably be seeing more products like GT. As is, the interpreters of the market and the finance people kill everybody's buzz, sometimes rightly (but not always). IMJ, one of the biggest challenges we face as a company is dealing with an ever more fragmented, more specialized, lower-volume per program market - and making that pay.

All that said, I think Design and Release Engineering at Ford is a very tricky balancing act.

BTW, I actually found your correlation of Apple and VW Diesel insightful and agree with you entirely on "green" engineering. It's a Trojan Horse used to gull morons, mostly.  Consider our sequential twin turbo setups in our "ecoboost". I laugh every time I think of that name and the green leaf logo.Ecoboost = big fuel and weight specific smoke-belching POWER. It reminds me of this one time I saw some pretentious woman driving in her lexus 450h SUV with the bumper sticker, "Got Air?" Of course, she had little clue as to how much waste and toxic material went into her high voltage battery and had little clue that energy intensity of hybrid production is significant compared to normal IC production (hence the added cost - and it's a lot). No, she was content to drive down the road pointing the finger, to which I say, Okay, Moral Superiority costs money. How morally superior do you want to be?

[morfiend]

i'd heard that this new chassis was supposed to get her down to the 3200# range.......

  You see Cap this is the problem,you heard,I heard they heard but ford hasnt said so no one really know. I was reading several different auto sites about the stang and several quoted a 70KG to 136KG weight creep. Then on another site the stated that the 15 would be lighter than the 14 but none of the sites or writers had the car on a scale!

   Until ford gives the numbers out it's all speculation,this is why I pointed out that they use catch phrazes like "more than" when they give the HP numbers. All the available 15's are preproduction cars and often changes are made right up to launch date,I'm sure PJzilla can confirm this.

  The first 15's will be running on the line in flatrock about the first week of sept. Launch of the new models used to be right after labour day weekend,provided there are no  setbacks.

   The IRS while new isnt really,ford has done this before but the new front suspension is completely different from any other mustang,AFAIK and this has me real interested. I also read the GT will have available 15 inch brembos,I see no reason why these couldnt be bodged onto the ecoboost for autoX or track purposes.



   I cant beleive I'm even thinking about a stang......



   

[SilverZ06]

Never trust a site stating KG....

merica!

[lunatic1]

2015 ford mustang-- 2.4 inline4 310hp 470fpt---there are v8's out there that don't have that.

[CAP1]

  You see Cap this is the problem,you heard,I heard they heard but ford hasnt said so no one really know. I was reading several different auto sites about the stang and several quoted a 70KG to 136KG weight creep. Then on another site the stated that the 15 would be lighter than the 14 but none of the sites or writers had the car on a scale!

   Until ford gives the numbers out it's all speculation,this is why I pointed out that they use catch phrazes like "more than" when they give the HP numbers. All the available 15's are preproduction cars and often changes are made right up to launch date,I'm sure PJzilla can confirm this.

  The first 15's will be running on the line in flatrock about the first week of sept. Launch of the new models used to be right after labour day weekend,provided there are no  setbacks.

   The IRS while new isnt really,ford has done this before but the new front suspension is completely different from any other mustang,AFAIK and this has me real interested. I also read the GT will have available 15 inch brembos,I see no reason why these couldnt be bodged onto the ecoboost for autoX or track purposes.



   I cant beleive I'm even thinking about a stang......



    

 i dunno if pj can confirm or deny......but some digging a few weeks back brought me to the conclusion that the 015 looks to be based on the ford mondeo chassis. if i'm correct with that, we can "guesstimate" the weight. the 4th gen mondeo is said to weigh 3,164–3,552 lb. that gets us pretty close. hell....can you imagine a 3100 pound gt?  

 EDIT.....looking for the pages i'd found before, and can't......i may well be wrong there.

 stang suspension....
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php/2015-mustang-s550-986.html

[PJ_Godzilla]

If I went and got that data, I'd be in serious trouble if I shared it here... Sorry.

I should, and I've written it here before: on this site and as a non-spokesman employee, I do not speak for the company. Further, the only data I'll talk about is data that's already been publicly released.

Speaking of which, while the weight numbers weren't released, I believe there has been significant public data released on some of the martial used in the BIW and closures, both for this and the new f-series.

If you can't tell, I love the company. There have been years that sucked -I've been with them since 91 as a consultant, 96 as a direct. But, even in those dark years, or in some of the assignments I haven't enjoyed as much as my current one, I've still always felt that I was part is something worthwhile. I couldn't say that about some of my former companies...

Btw, I never really got to talk to Mulally. I traded some email with him about tennis. He's a solid player. The guy who "got it" and really, IMO, drove the product-led turnaround was Derrick Kuzak. No lie, that guy would sit down with individual engineers (watched him do it) and go through their content and cost assumptions. If there was an overhead console sunglasses bin in the control model, Kuzak could tell you why it was the size it was ( you'd laugh if you knew on one notable forward model program -I say no more). Sadly, I suspect it was his health that drove his retirement -but he got the one truth that, before that, had eluded most of our leadership: if you don't put content cost in the car, you'll end up giving it away as cash on the hood. He was a great guy. So far, so good with the successor...

[Reaper90]

2015 ford mustang-- 2.4 inline4 310hp 470fpt---there are v8's out there that don't have that.

not a chance.

[caldera]

not a chance.

He mistakenly posted the specs for the Mustang "Kenworth Special" TDI model. 

[CAP1]

If I went and got that data, I'd be in serious trouble if I shared it here... Sorry.

I should, and I've written it here before: on this site and as a non-spokesman employee, I do not speak for the company. Further, the only data I'll talk about is data that's already been publicly released.

Speaking of which, while the weight numbers weren't released, I believe there has been significant public data released on some of the martial used in the BIW and closures, both for this and the new f-series.

If you can't tell, I love the company. There have been years that sucked -I've been with them since 91 as a consultant, 96 as a direct. But, even in those dark years, or in some of the assignments I haven't enjoyed as much as my current one, I've still always felt that I was part is something worthwhile. I couldn't say that about some of my former companies...

Btw, I never really got to talk to Mulally. I traded some email with him about tennis. He's a solid player. The guy who "got it" and really, IMO, drove the product-led turnaround was Derrick Kuzak. No lie, that guy would sit down with individual engineers (watched him do it) and go through their content and cost assumptions. If there was an overhead console sunglasses bin in the control model, Kuzak could tell you why it was the size it was ( you'd laugh if you knew on one notable forward model program -I say no more). Sadly, I suspect it was his health that drove his retirement -but he got the one truth that, before that, had eluded most of our leadership: if you don't put content cost in the car, you'll end up giving it away as cash on the hood. He was a great guy. So far, so good with the successor...

 i wasn't really sure how much you were or weren't allowed to talk about without risking your job....which you definitley don't wanna do.......

[Rich46yo]

Bought my kid a 2011 Camaro yesterday that only had 9,000 miles on it. Beautiful car with all the Bells and whistles except the V8. But hey even the V6 gets 315 HP, enough to keep a 21yo happy. Ive always been a Mustang guy but i have to admit the Camaro is a beautiful auto. They had a 2014 black Vette on the floor and it might just be the sharpest Vette they ever made. Its looked like the Bat Mobile with those four exhaust pipes together in the rear like that. And I wonder if 460 HP can make flame?

Anyway my son went off to USAF a kid and came back a man. He is serving his country faithfully and living honorably and this is the payoff from the old man.

[lunatic1]

not a chance.

go to the web site

[-ammo-]

Anyway my son went off to USAF a kid and came back a man. He is serving his country faithfully and living honorably and this is the payoff from the old man.
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I know you are proud and congrats to him!  What is his AFSC?

With such an achievement, you should have splurged and got him a Mustang   J/K of course. 

[CAP1]

Bought my kid a 2011 Camaro yesterday that only had 9,000 miles on it. Beautiful car with all the Bells and whistles except the V8. But hey even the V6 gets 315 HP, enough to keep a 21yo happy. Ive always been a Mustang guy but i have to admit the Camaro is a beautiful auto. They had a 2014 black Vette on the floor and it might just be the sharpest Vette they ever made. Its looked like the Bat Mobile with those four exhaust pipes together in the rear like that. And I wonder if 460 HP can make flame?

Anyway my son went off to USAF a kid and came back a man. He is serving his country faithfully and living honorably and this is the payoff from the old man.
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that's a good looking car. and yes, he'll be more than happy with the v6 in those. do me a favor? take a look at the front wheel hubs from underneath? my buddy's 2010 v8 actually has splined hubs....as if they were considering the possibility of an awd version.