Why Are People Fussing About 262's?

[bozon]

Furballs in the MA always involve having to dodge something, I don't understand why 262's make it any different. People pick others occupied in furballs all the time, the 262 doesn't do the same job any dirtier.

It is different because you have to react to a 262 much sooner. Prop planes are not a threat when then are 3.0d out, but a jet will close that distance before you will look again. At these ranges the jet a just a pixel on the screen and you cannot tell who it is targeting. You have to track its trajectory to find it out because by the time it is resolved on the screen and you can SEE his orientation it is too late. You also have to track it even when it is far below you - unlike the prop planes the 262 has enough speed to zoom and kill you from way below. For this reason a 262 is a huge tax on your SA. Dodging it not always so easy, especially if you are flying one of the large fighters (p38, 110, mossie). In these planes you really have to move out of the way because even a tater thrower is not very likely to miss. The 262 carries a very large cone ahead of it in which anyone who tries any kind of stalling maneuvers (while fighting other planes) is setting himself up to get picked.

[Pawz]

I love upping 262 in the horde and that would be the only time I up it to stop a base capture. I always get pms saying your cheating or some other hateful message which is cool because I know I'm doing something right. Most complain only for the simple fact they cant fly it and land kills period.

[Coalcat1]

Took a jet out yesterday, to the big knight bish fight. Got my first kill on an LA RTBing. Made multiple passes through the furball and had to keep my SA up even higher than normal due to multiple bish jets in the area. After flying for another half hour, with only that one kill, and running on fumes, I decided to HO a brew, and just avoided the collision. This is proof if players have their SA up, the 262 is very ineffective. P.S I was jumped by a 262 RTBing and had a few friends help me get him off due to me being bingo fuel.

[Vinkman]

I almost got a good shot at a 262 yesterday in a P39D.  I wonder how many perks that would have gotten me if I could have pulled around just a little quicker.

Look it's time again for my story about killing Grizz in his 262 in my P-39Q.

So he was Zooming in on my 6, and I broke away, so he zoomed through and extended. I banked back an tried to line him up with the big gun, as I did I held the trigger down and fired about 10 or 15 rounds at him with no success. As his icon read about 800yrds I line one more shot and fired. It hit him 1000yrds and his 262 exploded and diassapeared.
He wrote back told me he was on an attempt to land 100 kills in a single sortie, and was up to 40 when I got him.

If I recall correctly, I got about 25 Perks for that. I think the formula is ENYme/ENY bandit.  Perk planes are ENY 1 for that formula and a P-39Q is about ENY 35. then the modifiers for player numbers and base status kicked in to reduce it to ~25. 

[Lusche]

Perk planes are ENY 1 for that formula

No.

[kappa]

I would bet youre not too happy with a 40 red vs 5 green "furball" (gangrape) either - thats the 262 time and thats what Kappa is talking about. Taking a jet to an even fight is lame.

exactly... 

although if i get ganged 3x in a row and the reds take down our fhs, I will up a jet almost every time. .

[The Fugitive]

That's the only time I take a jet out, 8 vs 1, but I see them more often when the sides are even or or a bit lop sided. 2 or 3 vs 1 can be a lot or fun and can push your SA. If jets show up at that point,  which I see often, it just pushes it over the edge.

[deadstikmac]

Throwing hair driers away  

[PJ_Godzilla]

I think it'd be really great if HT would introduce a leash or tether that would be applied to "da emmaknee". That way, the jet would have to orbit within a fairly small hemisphere and I could zoom in and demonstrate my skill on him. Then I could realize "the dream" and do the banana dance on 200.

I'd also like it if they'd shut off the field ack and have a bunch of "da emmaknee" line up on the runway. They think they're so bad-ace - until, haaaw, haaaw, my jet comes down and blows them all to smithereens. Duuuuh. That would be kewl.

Why isn't the game more like that, maybe with each plane having a special hockey move or something?

[GScholz]

Furballers naturally hate everyone and everything not furballing. However, furballers are just one segment of the player base in this game.

[Debrody]

That's the only time I take a jet out, 8 vs 1, but I see them more often when the sides are even or or a bit lop sided. 2 or 3 vs 1 can be a lot or fun and can push your SA. If jets show up at that point,  which I see often, it just pushes it over the edge.

Thats disappointing, but i guess we are talking about the same story: "taking a jet to an even fight is lame".

Furballers naturally hate everyone and everything not furballing. However, furballers are just one segment of the player base in this game.

+1

[alskahawk]

 I think this is similar to the complaint about the planes hovering over tank town and the ease in killing tanks. But having said that, what I wonder is what has changed so that there are so many more 262s flying? Seems to me that there are more out and about now than there used to be.

 But anyway IMHO; every plane that has less than 1000 production prior to may 1945 should be perked heavily. Start at 100 perks and go up break 1000 perks to fly a 262 if you have to. Get back to the real issue. air combat. No one likes it when you get in a good scrap and here comes a jet to cherry pick. There are a lot of issues with this game and 262s are really minor in comparison. Game play needs to be better all around or this could end up being like War Birds or many of the other aircombat sims that bit the dust.

[PJ_Godzilla]

I think this is similar to the complaint about the planes hovering over tank town and the ease in killing tanks. But having said that, what I wonder is what has changed so that there are so many more 262s flying? Seems to me that there are more out and about now than there used to be.

 But anyway IMHO; every plane that has less than 1000 production prior to may 1945 should be perked heavily. Start at 100 perks and go up break 1000 perks to fly a 262 if you have to. Get back to the real issue. air combat. No one likes it when you get in a good scrap and here comes a jet to cherry pick. There are a lot of issues with this game and 262s are really minor in comparison. Game play needs to be better all around or this could end up being like War Birds or many of the other aircombat sims that bit the dust.

I'd like stats for the first anecdotal assertion... Lusche - is jet use UP?

As for the rest, I agree completely. I'dl ike to see a player rating system that makes the perk cost go up with rating. I'd also like to see more birds perked. Perk ALL the late war monsters. It'll make for lots more fun in the MA. Besides, the genuinely good sticks will still up perk planes and return 'em to the hangar at sortie's end. The other big plus: more risk for the pilot. This will encourage pilots to use the Hartmann rule of engagin at an advantage more - and engage is stupid/brainless ho tactics less.

[LCADolby]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i4KM1PuZZc

Last nights outing vs 262s

[Lusche]

I'd like stats for the first anecdotal assertion... Lusche - is jet use UP?

As a quick indicator:



I haven't checked if the higher kill share after 2009 is a result of a possble higher relative usage of bombers in the MA. Or very high usage by a very few "power users".