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Re: Alex Vraciu - 70 Years Ago Today - Six Victories in Eight Minutes
« Reply #30 on: June 20, 2014, 01:54:54 PM »
That's truly awesome. I envy you.

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Re: Alex Vraciu - 70 Years Ago Today - Six Victories in Eight Minutes
« Reply #31 on: June 20, 2014, 01:55:43 PM »
Jesus Christ people someone can't even post a historical event with out it turning into a spiral cluster ****, how about lets stop with the personal attacks for say 5 minutes.

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Re: Alex Vraciu - 70 Years Ago Today - Six Victories in Eight Minutes
« Reply #32 on: June 20, 2014, 03:14:30 PM »
I don't think it is appropriate to denigrate the actions of a combat veteran who was risking his life or the gratitude of his country in honoring his actions.  It just seems classless.

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Re: Alex Vraciu - 70 Years Ago Today - Six Victories in Eight Minutes
« Reply #33 on: June 20, 2014, 03:59:17 PM »
Good post V thanks for shaRing :salute :cheers: :salute
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Re: Alex Vraciu - 70 Years Ago Today - Six Victories in Eight Minutes
« Reply #34 on: June 20, 2014, 04:26:53 PM »
Thank you Bodhi    +1

He did more in 8 minutes for his country than most people do in a lifetime

 :salute He saved a. Lot of lives smacking down those Judys.   Imagine if the last one he flamed had hit the Lexington...   Carnage. 

Good post V thanks for shaRing :salute :cheers: :salute

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Re: Alex Vraciu - 70 Years Ago Today - Six Victories in Eight Minutes
« Reply #35 on: June 20, 2014, 04:35:18 PM »
I think it's a great accomplishment. Yet I see no need to rewrite history.

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« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2014, 09:08:37 PM »
I think it's a great accomplishment. Yet I see no need to rewrite history.


I wasn't aware anyone did. 
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Re: Alex Vraciu - 70 Years Ago Today - Six Victories in Eight Minutes
« Reply #37 on: June 23, 2014, 05:24:46 PM »
I'm sorry but I see absolutely no reason that this guy should receive a Medal of Honor for this.  Yes, he did a good job, his job, to shoot down enemy planes.

You should consider reading about Medal of Honor recipients and what they sacrificed and imperiled to earn those medals.

Vraciu wasn't even close.

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« Reply #38 on: June 23, 2014, 05:25:51 PM »
I'm sorry but I see absolutely no reason that this guy should receive a Medal of Honor for this.  Yes, he did a good job, his job, to shoot down enemy planes.

You should consider reading about Medal of Honor recipients and what they sacrificed and imperiled to earn those medals.

Vraciu wasn't even close.

<S> The real Vraciu, sir, thank you for your service.

Then every Marine who scored five or more in one hop didn't deserve it either.   Vraciu was nominated for FOUR missions.   Not one.  He sure deserved more than a single Navy Cross.  He was a heroic, tenacious, impressive son of a gun.
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« Reply #39 on: June 23, 2014, 07:06:27 PM »
Then every Marine who scored five or more in one hop didn't deserve it either.

Did anyone? While shooting down five aircraft in one sortie is a great feat of skill and airmanship it is hardly the same as throwing yourself on a hand grenade or charging enemy machine gun bunkers alone. I was under the impression that the MoH was reserved for only the most extreme acts of valor, like the British VC.
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« Reply #40 on: June 23, 2014, 07:08:57 PM »
Yeah, I just looked for awhile myself and couldn't find anyone who got the MOH for the reason stated.
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« Reply #41 on: June 23, 2014, 07:11:48 PM »
Did anyone? While shooting down five aircraft in one sortie is a great feat of skill and airmanship it is hardly the same as throwing yourself on a hand grenade or charging enemy machine gun bunkers alone. I was under the impression that the MoH was reserved for only the most extreme acts of valor, like the British VC.

Again, Vraciu pressed his attack in an airplane with UNLOCKED WINGS, oil smeared windscreen, a malfunctioning engine, and into the teeth of friendly AA.    Nevermind what he did the next day at Mission Beyond Darkness where he held off the Jap CAP singlehanded so our DBs could sink a carrier.   Add in the two missions prior and his having set the record for victories by a carrier pilot and I say he more than fulfilled the requirements.    Either that or give him three Navy Crosses and call it a day.

I will defer to the judgment of Burke, Spruance, and Mitscher (among others).   They (among others) agreed he met the requirements for the award.  What was done to him was a travesty in this regard.   

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« Reply #42 on: June 23, 2014, 07:12:25 PM »
See Rules #2, #4, #5
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« Reply #43 on: June 23, 2014, 07:13:45 PM »











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  Fighting Squadron Sixteen Fleet
  Post Office San Francisco, California
  26 June 1944

  From: Commander, Fighting Squadron Sixteen.      [LCDR Paul Buie - Later Rear Admiral]*
  To: The Secretary of the Navy

  Via: (1) Commander, Air Group Sixteen.        [CDR E. M. Snowden - Later Rear Admiral]*
        (2) Commanding Officer, U.S.S. LEXINGTON.        [CAPT E. W. Litch - Later Rear Admiral]*  
        (3) Commander. Task Group 58.3.        [Admiral Marc Mitscher]*  
        (4) Commander. Fast Carrier Task Forces, Pacific Fleet.        [Admiral Raymond A. Spruance]*  
        (5) Commander Air Force, Pacific Fleet.        [Admiral George D. Murray]  
        (6) Commander in Chief, Pacific Fleet.        [Admiral Chester W. Nimitz]  

  Subject:   Recommendation for award in the case of: Alexander VRACIU, Lt.(jg). A-V(N). USNR, (I24731)

  Reference: (a) SecNav Circular Letter of 7 March 1944.
                    (b) Pacific Fleet ltr. 30L-44 of 23 May 1944.
                    (c) CTF 58 Itr. serial 169 of 19 June 1944.

  Enclosures: (A) Suggested Citation for Congressional Medal of Honor.

  1. This squadron was assigned the mission of conducting air operations against enemy aircraft, installations, and personnel at various enemy bases in the Marianas, in support of a landing by our forces on 15 June 1944 on Saipan Island, while assigned to a Task Group operating under Commander, Fast Carrier Task Forces, Pacific Fleet. On 19 June 1944 during the course of these operations, our naval forces were heavily attacked by enemy carrier based aircraft; and fighter pilots of this Squadron played an important part in intercepting and defeating these attacks, shooting down 45 enemy planes. On 20 June 1944 pilots of the Squadron escorted our carrier based bomber and torpedo planes in a long range strike which inflicted heavy damage on the enemy fleet.

  2. These air operations included 388 sorties (exclusive of normal Anti-Submarine and Combat Aif Patrols where there was no contact with the enemy) over the two-week period from 11 June 1944 to 25 June 1944, inclusive, and resulted in the following damage to the enemy:

  (a) Forty-eight aircraft destroyed (airborne).
  (b) Four aircraft probably destroyed (airborne).
  (c) Sixteen aircraft destroyed (on ground).
  (d) One 6,500 ton AK sunk.
  (e) One 2,000 - 2,500 ton AK damaged.

  In addition, more than 500 strafing runs were made against anti-aircraft positions, temporarily or permanently silencing many anti-aircraft guns; thirteen trucks were burned and destroyed; 7 Sampans or launches were set on fire and left sinking.

  CERTIFIED TO BE A TRUE COPY

  (SIGNED)
  R.C. GILLETTE, LCDR, USN
  Director, Officer Records Division(1)

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* [Award Recommended by 1-5, Buie, Snowden, Litch, Mitscher, Spruance]

  



  

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  26 June 1944

  Subject: Recommendation for award in the case of:
                Alexander VRACIU, Lt.(jg), A-V(N), USNR, (124731)
  

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  3. In compliance with paragraph eight (8) of reference (a), a brief summary of the part taken in these actions by the subject officer (listed also in paragraph four (4) below) and a description of the especial achievement or outstanding acts of service accomplished by him are set forth herein:

                (a) Lt.(jg) Alexander VRACIU, A-V(N), USNR, led a team of fighters carrying 500 pound bombs in an attack on enemy shipping in Tanapag harbor, Saipan, on 12 June 1944. In the face of intense anti-aircraft fire, he made a low level or "masthead" bombing attack against the largest Japanese ship in the harbor, a 6,500 ton AK, and sank it with a direct hit on the stern at the waterline. On 14 June 1944 in the course of a strike against enemy positions in the Islands north of Saipan and while at an altitude of 3000 feet, he sighted an enemy search plane at an altitude of 18000 feet. He approached the enemy plane so skillfully, keeping in its "blind spot" that despite its altitude advantage he was able to overhaul it and shoot it down in flames. On 19 June 1944, during the large-scale a attacks by Japanese carrier based aircraft against U. S. Naval Forces, near the Marianas Islands, he was one of thirteen pilots of this Squadron launched to meet the first wave of the attack. He intercepted a formation of 30-40 enemy dive bombers (Judies) at a distance of approximately 30 miles from our forces and single-handed, in the face of enemy fighter opposition, succeeded in shooting six of them down in flames, thus contributing tremendously to the breaking up of this attack on our ships. On 20 June 1944, he was one of a nine-plane fighter escort, which escorted our bombers and torpedo-planes on a strike of over 300 miles, against the Japanese battle fleet; and while covering the torpedo planes as they went in to attack, engaged five or six different enemy fighters (Zekes), shot one of them down in flames and damaged another, thus materially assisting our torpedo planes in pressing home attacks which resulted in the probable sinking an enemy carrier. He then returned 300 miles to base and landed safely aboard one of our carriers under extremely hazardous conditions, including total darkness. The planes destroyed by Lt.(jg) VRACIU in these actions raised to nineteen his total of planes shot down in the air. This is believed to be a record for U.S. carrier based pilots.

  4. The following officer is recommended for the award shown below, with citation as suggested in the appropriate enclosure hereto:

  CONGRESSIONAL MEDAL OF HONOR

  Alexander VRACIU         Lt.(jg), 124731         A-V(N),USNR
 

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Re: Alex Vraciu - 70 Years Ago Today - Six Victories in Eight Minutes
« Reply #44 on: June 23, 2014, 07:57:39 PM »
Yer a forum troll.   Not surprised you missed it, either...

Pardon me sir, but I shall not stoop to calling names or arguing with people on the boards.

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