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Offline molybdenum

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dislike Tagma spread out strat factories
« on: July 22, 2014, 08:22:12 AM »
1) Fewer buffs will up for, let alone reach, enemy strats, so the downtimes on town buildings, AAA, ords, etc will stay at the basic 30 minutes more often than they currently do.

2) Because gun and building downtimes will be more likely to be at the standard 30 minutes, hordes will be more necessary to take bases. I'm not personally an opponent of missions ("hordes" to some), but many think they detract from the AH gameplay experience.

3) Because the RTB time is longer with strats spread out on large maps, those pilots who do do strat runs will be more tempted to bomb 'n' bail. A lot of us think that happens far too much already.

4) Larger maps will tend to stay in rotation even longer than they already do, and a lot of players don't like them because they often stick around for the seven day duration.



I think on most maps the spread-out strat system works. On Tagma and one of the other large maps (not the one with all the islands, don't know its name) I think things were much better the way they were before.

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Re: dislike Tagma spread out strat factories
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2014, 09:18:29 AM »
I think on most maps the spread-out strat system works.


For the most part, not really. Unless one sees the strats only as another tactical, milk run target and if it doesn't matter that on many maps, key installations will be constantly down for max time because there's not much you can do to defend them anyway (note that this does not mean "getting kills"). There's not even risk of losing a bomber to ack every now and then anymore when you are attacking factories.

Central strats (esp. on large maps) were also the only real reason to form larger scale, high altitude, deep penetration bombing raids, even B-29 missions with several formations had a point. There's no incentive for that left.
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Re: dislike Tagma spread out strat factories
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2014, 09:34:23 AM »
Moly has good point but good riddance to the zone bases! :aok

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Re: dislike Tagma spread out strat factories
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2014, 12:49:54 PM »
I've really enjoyed the spread out factories.  I've been able to take low level attack aircraft to enemy factories, hammer them hard, and then RTB with a 75% or better success rate. The times I get caught are the times I hung around to empty all the ammo for the quad .303's in the Mossie.  :D

But seriously, when the factories were grouped togther there was only one truly successful way of hitting them: with a level bomber at high enough altitudes to minimize interception thanks to the "bottle neck" (everyone knew where you were going, the factories were like stink on poo).

Sure, some will say that the amount of player vs player activity has taken a hit, but I do not agree.  To me, there is more to it than that. AH is more than that.  I see AH as having more planes doing more things NOW vs when the factories were grouped together.

 
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Re: dislike Tagma spread out strat factories
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2014, 12:52:19 PM »
I like the spread out strats as well, gives guys who like flying attack another option, and usually generates a fight as someone comes out to see whats hitting the strats and killing gooons.
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Re: dislike Tagma spread out strat factories
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2014, 01:04:42 PM »
As a defender, I also like the spread out factories.  It is more of a challenge.  With one big strat you climb high to intercept because the chances of buffs coming in low was almost nil.  Now, they get to the target faster, can be at any altitude, and alot more diversity on the attackers choice of planes.  I see Jabo's hitting them alot now.  That seldom happened with one giant strat.  I also see more escorts on spread out factories because they have a chance to stay with the buff they are covering without the ack taking them out.

I personally think it is harder to defend, (thank you, I like the challenge), and a bit easier to make a succesful run on the factories, (thank you, that encourages players to try more runs).
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Re: dislike Tagma spread out strat factories
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2014, 01:27:41 PM »
and a bit easier to make a succesful run on the factories, (thank you, that encourages players to try more runs).


That's an euphemism.

See the front line radar or AA factories on Ndisles. They are constantly flat even without having the bases captured next to them. Because you can't even see them coming. Tracking darbars doesn't help much, because there's a lot of darbars next to it anyway. You never know when he next 30k B-17 is making it's approach. The short warning time makes it impossible to intercept them even at much lower altitudes, unless you fly constant CAP. Unfortunately it only takes 1 raider within three hours to wreck a factory. And there are several of them all over.
No chance.
Yes, there IS a bigger diversity of planes attacking the factories, but only it's so friggin easy now (And I say that as a bomber pilot). Not speaking of entirely unstoppable JABO suicide runs.
Little risk compare to the massive effect it has on the opposing side, country wide.



And again, my biggest beef is the lack of important large area targets suitable for larger raids, where risk, effort and return of investment are somewhat balanced. One single heavy formation severely cripples a factory, two bring it to 0. One B-29 formation will bring City from 100% to 40%.

For me personally, AH was nothing but saved by the introduction of working central strats years ago. Especially on large maps I thoroughly enjoyed the high altitude combat against escorted raid when flying a fighter, or going out to raid them myself (As a matter of fact, I spend a LOT more of my gaming time doing exactly the latter one).
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Re: dislike Tagma spread out strat factories
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2014, 01:57:54 PM »
   Hmm me thinks thow protests too much.  :ahand

  I am torn between both situations.
       With the central strat I could up a set of lancs and make a pass hitting ord factory and a few city buildings. Then crossing the T ,hit the city again and line up on the flak factory. If I did it right I would make a decent dent in down times.

  With the spread out factories I would maybe concentrate on two factories that would somewhat line up on a certain course. I have to up in a another sortie to affect a third strat.

   My one beef with the spread out strats is the placement seems odd. Some maps the ord factory is so far in the rear no one ever goes there. When an enemy captures territory around a factory should it not retreat like the central strats would?
   No sensible nation would put it's war time production so near the front.  :furious
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Re: dislike Tagma spread out strat factories
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2014, 02:03:34 PM »
   No sensible nation would put it's war time production so near the front.  :furious

There's harldy a nation of that era that was free to place production as they wanted with any possible upcoming war in mind.  :old:
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Re: dislike Tagma spread out strat factories
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2014, 02:05:42 PM »
There's harldy a nation of that era that was free to place production as they wanted with any possible upcoming war in mind.  :old:

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Re: dislike Tagma spread out strat factories
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2014, 03:10:07 PM »
There's harldy a nation of that era that was free to place production as they wanted with any possible upcoming war in mind.  :old:

Ah.. didn't Russia rapidly move all production to east of the Urals (i.e. to Siberia) just for that reason?

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« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2014, 03:12:16 PM »
Ah.. didn't Russia rapidly move all production to east of the Urals (i.e. to Siberia) just for that reason?


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Re: dislike Tagma spread out strat factories
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2014, 01:41:24 AM »
I like all the maps :old:
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