Thoughts on missions

[Traveler]

Actually, the last time I ran into Traveler, he attempted to vulch me upon takeoff (after releasing an entire payload of ordnance on the base I was upping from as his buddies exploded like roman candles). He died within two turns.

if that's true, and I have some doubt, we only engage after taking out all targets assigned. So if you upped at a field we attacked it was the last time you upped from that field.  What you thought was an attempt at a vulch was more likely an attack run on my assigned primary or secondary target.  But you may have shot me down anywhere, I"m the first to agree that I"m easy to kill, because I fly a wallowing pig and I have no fighter pilot skills, zero, none, just ask Pots and Pans, or Ghi and ever Fugitive, I stink.  The whole point of missions is team work and that's the element of the game that I enjoy.  It has keep the current 5 members of the 113th Lucky Strikes flying as a squad in our mission style of flying coming back for 14 years.  Sure we attack mud and we spend more time flying routs that will ensure that we get ords on target and we enjoy doing it.  We also fly fighter sweeps and pick up some scalps along the way. We even re-supply bases that need to be re-supplied, because we do it as a team it usually only takes one run each to get the base fully up or get the town to blue flag.  We have helped train so many new members over the years I've lost count and we invite everyone, even you, to come wing up for a flight or a night, fly a wallowing pig with a bunch of other guys that just want to have fun and think that this is the best way in this game to do it.  Go to war with an assigned target , a wingman and a plan.  Capture a base, sink a carrier, take a port, it's fun.

[Triton28]

if that's true, and I have some doubt, we only engage after taking out all targets assigned. So if you upped at a field we attacked it was the last time you upped from that field.  What you thought was an attempt at a vulch was more likely an attack run on my assigned primary or secondary target.  But you may have shot me down anywhere, I"m the first to agree that I"m easy to kill, because I fly a wallowing pig and I have no fighter pilot skills, zero, none, just ask Pots and Pans, or Ghi and ever Fugitive, I stink.  The whole point of missions is team work and that's the element of the game that I enjoy.  It has keep the current 5 members of the 113th Lucky Strikes flying as a squad in our mission style of flying coming back for 14 years.  Sure we attack mud and we spend more time flying routs that will ensure that we get ords on target and we enjoy doing it.  We also fly fighter sweeps and pick up some scalps along the way. We even re-supply bases that need to be re-supplied, because we do it as a team it usually only takes one run each to get the base fully up or get the town to blue flag.  We have helped train so many new members over the years I've lost count and we invite everyone, even you, to come wing up for a flight or a night, fly a wallowing pig with a bunch of other guys that just want to have fun and think that this is the best way in this game to do it.  Go to war with an assigned target , a wingman and a plan.  Capture a base, sink a carrier, take a port, it's fun.

Stop calling that beautiful airplane a wallowing pig!   

[Traveler]

Stop calling that beautiful airplane a wallowing pig!   

That was not me, the original quote:

To be honest, I don't understand what motivates people to make a sleek fighter into a wallowing pig by strapping on bombs in order to attack buildings in the interest of "winning teh war for da team" and all that. This is a game where you are basically allowed to play aerial chess and hunt other humans in some sense, and you want to spend your play time moving mud? Mindless collectivism at its finest, IMO. However, it does give the hunters some nice targets. 

[Triton28]

That was not me, the original quote:

Ahhh I missed that.  His quote kinda sounded like he was jealous.  Just IMO of course. 

[Traveler]

Since everyone is discussing missions, I thought you might be interested in seeing a 113th Lucky Strikes Mission plan:

113th Lucky Strikes
Target Vehicle Base

Operational Orders: “Junk Yard Dog”

Single Strike element will consist of one, Four plane element and one two plane element.  Element one will consist of four  P38L’s Outfitted with 75% fuel two  1000lb bombs and 10 rockets.  Element two will consist of a two plane element outfitted with 75%  two 1000lb bombs and 10 rockets.

Plan Execution:

Enrout phase: 
Element two P38L’s will provide escort and protect the four plane element strike package to the extent that if engaged the  P38 escorts will jettison bombs only and dog fight to protect the 4 plane strike package.

The four plane element will engage enemy fighters only if necessary. 

IP:
To the extent possible both elements should provide mutual supporting attacks in an effort to provide cover and divert enemy anti-aircraft (AAA).

Target(s):
Primary target(s) is Vehicle Hanger(s)
Secondary target(s) Ground Vehicle(s), Field Guns, Soft Guns, Radar, Troops

 Both elements are to destroy  primary targets before engaging secondary targets

Primary Strike:
Element one each strike one VH target saving 5 rockets for the secondary targets.
Element two are to put one 1000lb bomb each on nme GV’s once Hanger are reported down

Secondary Strike:
P38L’s are to target Field Guns, Soft Gun, Radar, Troops and CAP or Barrier CAP
and Ground Vehicle(s)

Extraction will be determined by one of these scenarios:
•   Destruction of primary target(s)     Yes/ No
•   Destruction of secondary target(s)   Yes/No
•   Availability of troops                         Yes/No

If the answer to the scenarios is yes, Stay and hold, If No, and it stays no for more then 5 minutes. The unit should RTB.

[BnZs]

Ahhh I missed that.  His quote kinda sounded like he was jealous.  Just IMO of course. 

I am jealous of managing to scrape up 8 kills in over 50 P-38L missions? That is a novel idea. If I bothered to be jealous of someone, it would be Lazer, Geaux, AKAK or someone else who actually puts Kelly Johnson's beautiful fighter to good use.

[Triton28]

I am jealous of managing to scrape up 8 kills in over 50 P-38L missions? That is a novel idea. If I bothered to be jealous of someone, it would be Lazer, Geaux, AKAK or someone else who actually puts Kelly Johnson's beautiful fighter to good use.

Well, if the 113th is strapping on bombs I'd wager a guess that they intend to drop them on target, rather than ditch them early in favor of dogfighting.  Taking this stubborn approach can put you at a tactical disadvantage to some of those red fighter planes buzzing around.  Surely you recognize where that could skew the numbers, yes? I've fought some of those guys 38 vs. 38, and contrary to what our resident contrarian says, I've found them to be a good fight.  

To be honest, I don't understand what motivates people to make a sleek fighter into a wallowing pig by strapping on bombs in order to attack buildings in the interest of "winning teh war for da team" and all that. This is a game where you are basically allowed to play aerial chess and hunt other humans in some sense, and you want to spend your play time moving mud? Mindless collectivism at its finest, IMO. However, it does give the hunters some nice targets.  

Here is your jealousy.  It's clear from this post that your fighter planes of choice do not carry the amount of ords with the grace or panache that the 38 does.  Resist the urge to hate, bro.  

[BnZs]

Well, if the 113th is strapping on bombs I'd wager a guess that they intend to drop them on target, rather than ditch them early in favor of dogfighting.  Taking this stubborn approach can put you at a tactical disadvantage to some of those red fighter planes buzzing around.  Surely you recognize where that could skew the numbers, yes? I've fought some of those guys 38 vs. 38, and contrary to what our resident contrarian says, I've found them to be a good fight.  

Taking this stubborn approach is silly though. You were on your way to mud-moving and a dogfight broke out? Count your blessings and roll with it! In reality, fighter-bombers would generally dump ords and fight if hard-pressed. Again, the suicidality we can exhibit in this game skews the offense/defense side of things.

Here is your jealousy.  It's clear from this post that your fighter planes of choice do not carry the amount of ords with the grace or panache that the 38 does.  Resist the urge to hate, bro.  

Actually if HTC could introduce a version of the P-51 with no hardpoints for ord whatsoever, ala the P-47M, I'd think that grand!

[NatCigg]

Since everyone is discussing missions, I thought you might be interested in seeing a 113th Lucky Strikes Mission plan:

113th Lucky Strikes
Target Vehicle Base

Operational Orders: “Junk Yard Dog”

Single Strike element will consist of one, Four plane element and one two plane element.  Element one will consist of four  P38L’s Outfitted with 75% fuel two  1000lb bombs and 10 rockets.  Element two will consist of a two plane element outfitted with 75%  two 1000lb bombs and 10 rockets.

Plan Execution:

Enrout phase: 
Element two P38L’s will provide escort and protect the four plane element strike package to the extent that if engaged the  P38 escorts will jettison bombs only and dog fight to protect the 4 plane strike package.

The four plane element will engage enemy fighters only if necessary. 

IP:
To the extent possible both elements should provide mutual supporting attacks in an effort to provide cover and divert enemy anti-aircraft (AAA).

Target(s):
Primary target(s) is Vehicle Hanger(s)
Secondary target(s) Ground Vehicle(s), Field Guns, Soft Guns, Radar, Troops

 Both elements are to destroy  primary targets before engaging secondary targets

Primary Strike:
Element one each strike one VH target saving 5 rockets for the secondary targets.
Element two are to put one 1000lb bomb each on nme GV’s once Hanger are reported down

Secondary Strike:
P38L’s are to target Field Guns, Soft Gun, Radar, Troops and CAP or Barrier CAP
and Ground Vehicle(s)

Extraction will be determined by one of these scenarios:
•   Destruction of primary target(s)     Yes/ No
•   Destruction of secondary target(s)   Yes/No
•   Availability of troops                         Yes/No

If the answer to the scenarios is yes, Stay and hold, If No, and it stays no for more then 5 minutes. The unit should RTB.

If you guys could find a game to play that would allow the freedom for you to execute this plan, I'm sure there are plenty of people in the world that would love to join in you video game action.

[Traveler]

Taking this stubborn approach is silly though. You were on your way to mud-moving and a dogfight broke out? Count your blessings and roll with it! In reality, fighter-bombers would generally dump ords and fight if hard-pressed. Again, the suicidality we can exhibit in this game skews the offense/defense side of things.
Actually if HTC could introduce a version of the P-51 with no hardpoints for ord whatsoever, ala the P-47M, I'd think that grand!

One might say that you are the stubborn one, only fighting in a light fighter.  Not experiencing both worlds, that's sounds stubborn, I'm wondering why you fly in the MA at all and not just fight against all the other light fighters in the DA, isn't that your perfect world?

[Traveler]

If you guys could find a game to play that would allow the freedom for you to execute this plan, I'm sure there are plenty of people in the world that would love to join in you video game action.

We do it every Saturday evening starting at 7:PM EDST in the late war arena, come wing up, join in the fun, we only fly as Knights and we use Vox 113.  Wing up any time, fly what you like for a flight or a night.  Our pre-canned missions are posted on our wiki page, always subject to last minute changes in the field.

[Triton28]

Taking this stubborn approach is silly though. You were on your way to mud-moving and a dogfight broke out? Count your blessings and roll with it! In reality, fighter-bombers would generally dump ords and fight if hard-pressed. Again, the suicidality we can exhibit in this game skews the offense/defense side of things.

Taking the stubborn approach isn't silly if your life doesn't depend on it.  We have the luxury in game of being instantly reborn in the tower, so pressing the issue and trying to hit your target at all costs is really no different than flailing yourself into a furball over and over.  The larger point I'm trying to make to you is, be very careful when judging a persons skill based on some numbers on a web page.  

Actually if HTC could introduce a version of the P-51 with no hardpoints for ord whatsoever, ala the P-47M, I'd think that grand!

Rationalizing is normal at first.  You'll get there eventually.  

[NatCigg]

I'm wondering why supercilious fighter jocks fly in the MA at all and not just fight against all the other light fighters in the DA, isn't that your perfect world?

 

[Zoney]

If you guys could find a game to play that would allow the freedom for you to execute this plan, I'm sure there are plenty of people in the world that would love to join in you video game action.

They have found that game, and it's called Aces High.  And they are playing it by flying airplanes to destroy a target, and then possibly capture it.  Now, and here's the cool part, other guys get to try to stop them from destroying and capturing the target.  So that second group of planes, they attack the first group of planes, and you get.....wait for it, an air battle, in Aces High.  It doesn't matter if they are 50 feet or 50 thousand feet, at least they are in airplanes that you can engage.  It doesn't look like they really care about the score, nor do they care about your opinion of their score.  I would be willing to bet they have fun at it.  Or they are insane and keep doing something they hate.  This is as far as you can get from they way that I choose to fly.  I'm glad neither I nor any one else gets to choose how they want to fly for them.  I'll even grant you that I too would prefer they drop their ords and engage if they are intercepted on the way to their intended target.  Tough, again, they get to choose, and I get to choose to engage them or not.

More power to them because it looks like they are doing EXACTLY what this game is set up to allow you to choose to do.

[Randy1]

Right now I have found a balance that suits me.  I use the P47-M for Fighter with an occasional 51D and Ki thrown in, and use the P-38L for all attacks. I just can't walk away from the 38 entirely.