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Re: have the Mods gone to far
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2014, 01:27:50 AM »
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« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2014, 01:47:12 AM »
Absolutely agree. That is because in the past the talented artists were also the one's spotlighted in the mainstream music culture. Since the 80's and 90's the nature of the music industry's greed has increasingly mass produced untalented pawns to the extent that the mainstream is saturated with fake music, there is little room left for the talented and creative other than in the underground scenes.


To be fair, there were a LOT 'untalented', horrible acts dragged into the spotlight by the industry at last in the late 60's, but definitely from the 70's on. A lot of 'bad music' in the charts then, 'bands' designed & casted according to current trends are nothing new.
We just have the tendency to forget about all that mediocre stuff. Rose tinted glasses and such.
Furthermore, many of what we are considering being classics today met a lot of criticism in their time. (see the original Rolling Stone review of Led Zeppelin I)

"It's all just noise today, no skill, no talent anymore" ... That's what i heard back in the time about the stuff I listened to, that's what my mom heard in her time, and in 20 years the folks now being 20 will think of the "good old time back in 2014 when we still had real MUSCI, not this garbage kids are listening today"

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Re: have the Mods gone to far
« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2014, 02:10:05 AM »
Its all relative "Led Zepplin" were rubbish and are rubbish now

The Yardbirds were white boys trying to play blues

Bob Dylan utter garbage

Musicians have been ripped since the first bloke hit a tree with a stick

That gangster stuff is for middle class white boys :rofl
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Re: have the Mods gone to far
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2014, 10:19:21 AM »

To be fair, there were a LOT 'untalented', horrible acts dragged into the spotlight by the industry at last in the late 60's, but definitely from the 70's on. A lot of 'bad music' in the charts then, 'bands' designed & casted according to current trends are nothing new.
We just have the tendency to forget about all that mediocre stuff. Rose tinted glasses and such.
Furthermore, many of what we are considering being classics today met a lot of criticism in their time. (see the original Rolling Stone review of Led Zeppelin I)

"It's all just noise today, no skill, no talent anymore" ... That's what i heard back in the time about the stuff I listened to, that's what my mom heard in her time, and in 20 years the folks now being 20 will think of the "good old time back in 2014 when we still had real MUSCI, not this garbage kids are listening today"

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Heh, but at least in the 70's people with bad voices couldn't autotune (or could they?) and most of them could actually play an instrument, albeit badly.
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Re: have the Mods gone to far
« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2014, 10:53:14 AM »

Heh, but at least in the 70's people with bad voices couldn't autotune (or could they?)

No, that's modern magic. At least one of them hat to be able to sing at least badly (they were still able to 'polish' a lot). Of course, the band could be always replaced in the studio by capable session musicians :)
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Re: have the Mods gone to far
« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2014, 05:20:00 PM »
 One must be careful about musicians...
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« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2014, 05:36:45 PM »
 :rofl hilarious JG!



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Re: have the Mods gone to far
« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2014, 02:16:57 PM »
Yes  :rofl
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Re: have the Mods gone to far
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2014, 10:47:57 PM »
That I could believe. Sad thing is how it wasn't always that way.

it's absolutely always been that way
musical art has always been overshadowed by easily consumed trash and fad-followers, since the middle ages at least
especially when the church was stomping down anyone who did anything new/'threatening'/secular with music
Bach was known only as a skilled keyboardist and barely at all as a composer until a hundred years after his death
Mozart's somewhat low-brow compositions still dominate popular classical music
especially with the rise of romanticism - - thinking of Schubert, who died unknown and destitute, among others now superstars
jumping ahead among my grandparent's generation most people were tuning in weekly to derivative drivel like Lawrence Welk while the hipsters were speeding around the country listening to bebop and other 'real' music
Sure there may be periods with somewhat more crossover between legitimately artistic music and lowest-common-denominator mush, but if there are, we're definitely living in one of those good periods right now.

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« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2014, 10:56:22 PM »
 I would have to agree this is a good period. In 70's heard great Jazz composer/artist named Denise Osso...if I hadn't been RIGHT THERE..never woulda heard her. Now days artists THAT talented can be found much easier. IE:my ukelele post...
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Re: have the Mods gone to far
« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2014, 08:19:46 PM »
I dunno. My kid is basically being told by, for example, the Euro DJ-ess that "this is good new music", when it's just a rip-off of a piece that's 30 years old. I don't remember in my youth ever having been told the same thing, then being handed something from the 1940s. Ten years later, I wasn't being handed 50s stuff as new, nor even 60s stuff 10 years after that.

Perhaps I was spoiled by having access to a radio station so good a (now) world-famous rock band dedicated a song to it.

I've tried several times while editing this post to describe how completely the station dominated new music locally, failed each time. The place finally imploded in the late 80s leaving an utter void. "O tempora! O mores!" as they say.

Long way of saying I was lucky enough to have new music to listen to when I was young, my kid has stuff that is recycled from my own youth, from back when dinosaurs ruled the earth.
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