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Offline Copprhed

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Need help with tanking
« on: August 11, 2014, 08:34:55 AM »
I am an abysmal tanker. I have trouble ranging, especially on flat terrains, and I have trouble getting kills. Others can kill me one shot, even when they're in lesser tanks than I am. I also ESPECIALLY have trouble seeing other gvs no matter what I do. PLEASE, please please help,lol
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Re: Need help with tanking
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2014, 09:11:03 AM »
Offline you may practice recognizing the range by the horizontal spans of the sight itself and how it compares to the size of the tank you are firing at.

Edit: I tried to find a good all-in-one source on how to use stadia lines (stadia method), but mostly what I found is related to surveying (where I learned it).
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Re: Need help with tanking
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2014, 09:37:43 AM »
You should also consider taking ranging shots prior to combat, especially if you're fighting on the defensive or in a static tank "furball". Other than that, just get enough experience with a particular sighting system (I prefer the German approach) and eventually you'll get the hang of it.
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Re: Need help with tanking
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2014, 11:52:39 AM »
Good morning!
If you want , we can spend some time in the TA and I'll help you out!,
Let me know in a PM or here,, I'm in The main arena pretty often as well, I'd be glad to help!
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Re: Need help with tanking
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2014, 04:02:56 PM »
this tip should help. with German tank sights: if the bad guy tank is about the size of the center triangle(not zoomed in) he is about 1k away.

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Re: Need help with tanking
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2014, 04:51:24 PM »
Ranging is all practice, and some guys are VERY good at it.

Ranger made a practice map. I don't know if he loaded up as a custom map, but you could check there.

WWhiskey is pretty good. He has a lot of info. Take notes!

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Re: Need help with tanking
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2014, 06:08:19 PM »
Here's some tips for using the T34/85 sight.  If your target is a Panzer and it is broadside and it spans the distance from one ^ to the next ^ it is 800 yds away.  If the Panzer is pointing headon and it spans from one ^ to the mark between ^ and ^ it is 800 yds away.  Other distances are proportional.  For example, if the broadside Panzer is only half the width between two ^ marks it is 1600 yds away, if it is 75% of the ^ ^ distance it is 1200 yds.  Other target tanks are similar, a Tiger is longer than a Panzer so if it spans two ^ marks it is a bit further way than 800 yds.. try 1000 yds. 

How much to lead a moving target?  Depends on the targets speed and direction.  If its a Panzer and appears to be moving at full speed (which most tanks do) and it is moving laterally across your view then lead it by two ^, i.e. this much:

^ . ^ . ^ 

If it is a fast tank like the M18 lead it by a tad more than the entire gunsight, i.e. just past the last ^.  If you are moving, and the target is stationary, lead them exactly the same, i.e. if you are running laterally to a target at full speed lead a stationary target by a little more than ^ . ^ . ^  (your T34 moves faster than a Panzer so you lead more).  If you are moving and the target is moving the same direction at the same speed, don't lead at all.  If the target is moving laterally in a direction opposite yours, well give up, it's very hard to lead that much.  Of course, if you are moving the gun is bouncing up and down.  Don't try to correct for this, just time your shot to when the target is lined up properly.

Practice offline at different distances against different tanks to see where to hit them and with what kind of ammo.  (You can use the Drone option to select different tanks to aim at.)  Example, again for the T34/85: do not use HVAP for targets beyond 1200 yds.  Shorter than 1200 the HVAP is better than the AP but beyond that distance the loss of kinetic energy due to drag makes it less effective than plain AP. 

Use offline practice to determine weak spots on targets.  Examples: for a T34 (either type) pointed at you, try to hit the junction of the glacis (the sloped armor of the hull below the turret) and the lower hull.  On the real T34 I think this was an enormously thick casting but AH models it, I suspect, as just a vertical section of the same thickness as the glacis, so the lack of slope makes it vulnerable.  For a Sherman pointed at you hit the same general spot, i.e. try to hit the vertical part of the lower hull.  Do not try to hit the mantle (the thing that holds the gun).  That's thick on a Sherman.  Of course, if you have a side shot that is much better as side armor is almost always much thinner than frontal armor.  Do not engage Tiger IIs from the front at all.  No matter how close you get you can't damage a Tiger II with a T34/85 except by hitting a tiny little area at the bottom of the hull.  You can engage Tiger IIs from the side (hit the side of the turret if possible so as to take out his turret first).  Do not engage the side of Tiger IIs at distances beyond about 1500 to 2000 unless they are distracted or you can run to cover. 

All tanks have weak spots and you can learn them with offline practice.

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Re: Need help with tanking
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2014, 06:45:41 PM »
this tip should help. with German tank sights: if the bad guy tank is about the size of the center triangle(not zoomed in) he is about 1k away.
Guess what size the bad guy tank is (relative to the center triangle) if you DO zoom in?  :)
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Re: Need help with tanking
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2014, 09:42:53 PM »
Guess what size the bad guy tank is (relative to the center triangle) if you DO zoom in?  :)
The ratio should remain the same, no?
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Re: Need help with tanking
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2014, 11:20:40 AM »
The ratio should remain the same, no?
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Re: Need help with tanking
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2014, 02:03:52 PM »
Please PM me your emails and I will send you the chart for using the mili-radian sight.  I did all the leg work in obtaining the lengths of all the tanks in AH and converted them to the chart. The size of the tank in relation to the size of the triangle is roughly the distance the targeted tank is at.  The 3 Jagdpanzers are the only three AFV's missing from the chart, but the Jagdpanther and Jagpanzer IV are already in game.

It makes a huge difference when comparing the T34 and the Panther from the side (length), and the M18 vs the Tiger from the front (width), etc.  The further the distance the more difference it makes. 

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Re: Need help with tanking
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2014, 04:40:43 PM »
Heres a youtube video on how to use the site and figure range, as long as you can handle the accent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n29i65x1fWc

There are also some great write-ups on the topic as well.