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Offline earl1937

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RB-29 and 2 Mig19's
« on: August 18, 2014, 11:06:33 AM »
 :airplane: It was cool this morning, raining pretty hard, as we here at Tinian had just dodged a Typhoon which had passed just to our South during the night. We knew we would be flying away from the storm on a Northwest heading, so it would be no factor to us except on takeoff. Wind this morning was 30 to 40MPH with an occasional gusts of 50MPH. Wind was beginning to wane, so shouldn't be a problem. One of the things, among many, to be concerned about is the large vertical stabilizer and rudder, which with any wind at All would tend to weather vane you into the wind. No problem as long as nose wheel on ground, but when you reach VR, you have to hold a little or a lot of "downwind" rudder until you break ground, then you let it weather vane if it wants to, because it will climb quicker and accelerate quicker into the wind than "crabbing", holding it straight on a heading.
29 taxiing for takeoff!
Might know, its my time for takeoff as we alternated for training purposes and I had about 200 hours in the 29 by then, so again, shouldn't be a big deal except for that cross wind, which I knew would have to be reckon with. We weighted 122,560 lbs for this mission, which would last for about 14 hours, so we had a 2 hour reserve. I called for full power, "WEP" on at "top manifold" stabilization, called by the FE, then steady down runway, V1,(88 knots), V-2, (104 knots), VR, (120 knots), number being called by the AC! As our nose wheel broke ground, sure enough, she started to swing to the right, I applied a little left rudder, then a little more to keep it straight down the runway, then we broke ground and as soon as we established a "positive rate of climb", I called for gear up and let the bird then swing slightly to the right into the wind and we were soon climbing about 750 feet per minute. The 29 is a "feet on the floor" aircraft, as that big ole rudder will cause over controlling easily and you make all the guys in the bad sick. Nice takeoff, commented the AC, so felt pretty good about that!
Climbing out for a final altitude of 28,000 feet, heading 350 degrees, we headed for Japan and finally the 38th Parallel where we would begin our mission. As we go though 5,000 feet, I call for "crew positions" and everyone checks in OK and the "spooks" entered the "E" room, mounted in the forward bomb bay. Now begins the task of trying to stay awake and pay attention to all the little details which you must think about, keep a instrument scan going, as tops were about 17000, if I recall correctly, monitor engine instruments, even though you have a FE, review all the emergency procedures time and time again. Talk to navigator, double check headings and power settings, take my boots off, (if you bail in water, they fill quickly, so I had made a decision long ago to bail without them over water).
We had been on station for about 4 hours, "station keeping" 20 miles off shore, when suddenly the tail gunner announces, we have 2 boogies 60 miles out and closing! Of course that got everyone's attention, but usually they turned off in about 30 miles or so, so was no concern at this point. In just a short few minutes, tail says they just broke 30 mile and was at 28 mile closing directly at us. AC calls "he's got it"(the controls), orders tail to unlock the tail and begin tracking them. He was refereeing to the G-32 radar operated quad 20MM's that comprised all the defensive firepower we had. We hoped they would pick up a "radar lock" and they would turn away, but they didn't!
By now he had called for fighter escorts from K-8, a USAF fighter squadron, about a 100 miles to our southwest and we were headed in that direction,  so help was on the way, but would not get here in time to save our bacon if these two guys was serious.  Then they started "S" turning to kill off speed I guessed and tail said , "they are getting in the slot", which would be the normal firing position, if they intended to fire "air to air" missiles at us. AC calls OK, we head  090 degrees towards Japan, as was our intstructions any time "boogies" intercepted us, to let them know or ground based radar operators know, we had no intention of over flying North Korean airspace. We then begin our defensive turns to interrupt their tracking systems, I guess. By now the F-100's were about 30 miles out also and closing fast.
We had been descending all this time in order to pick up speed, but the boogies stayed right with us, about 12 miles back.
AC ordered all "spooks" out of "E" pod, except the one using ASR so we could see what they were doing. They had no way of exiting the aircraft if we had to bail.
Just as quick as they had started tailing us, they turned, I guess having seen or been told of the two 100's approaching them and they turned to the Northwest and lit their burners speed quickly picked up, but the 100's were closing and got as close as 10 miles to them and they started a dive then and their speed really picked up.
After they departed our area, we again turned back to our mission and the 100's turned, came to us and escorted us for about a 100 miles or so and then RTB'd.
MY "puckering" factor was "maxed" out during most of this time to the point you could not have drove a "20 Penny nail" in my rear with a 5 pound hammer.
Later on a few years later, when Congressman Larry McDonald was shot down by the "Russkies", in a Boeing 747, it made me realize how just one little miscalculation, could have put ole ":Tater" in the sea of Japan!
« Last Edit: August 18, 2014, 11:13:47 AM by earl1937 »
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Re: RB-29 and 2 Mig19's
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2014, 11:33:09 AM »
Another good one Earl, thanks.
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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2014, 12:34:13 PM »
wow great story sir, thanks for sharing! <S> - Hetz

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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2014, 04:29:08 PM »
thanks Earl

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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2014, 05:06:31 PM »
 :aok as usual, Earl!



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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2014, 06:31:11 PM »
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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2014, 08:26:44 PM »
:aok as usual, Earl!
:airplane: Thanks guys, all of you who have commented! It makes my efforts putting these little stories together, worth it when I know that they are read and enjoyed! I am not recalling anything really that any Air Force or any military pilot cannot say, "they been there, done that"! Maybe a lot of them that is in this game just doesn't know how to put it together and post it!
I would also like to hear aviation related stories, I am sure there are a lot of guys in this forum who have had some experiences that we all would like to read about!
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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2014, 09:52:23 PM »
Thanks for sharing!  :salute  I really like these posts

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« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2014, 04:01:07 AM »
Hey Earl, how did the radar controlled tail guns in the RB-29 work?  Did the gunner still have to manually aim the guns?  Or did the radar somehow automatically aim them for him?
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« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2014, 09:02:34 AM »
Great story! Thanks for sharing!
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« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2014, 12:53:31 PM »
Hey Earl, how did the radar controlled tail guns in the RB-29 work?  Did the gunner still have to manually aim the guns?  Or did the radar somehow automatically aim them for him?

Did any of the RB-29s have the AN/APG-15 radar?  Thought only the B models had the AN/APG-15 as per orders from LeMay in 1945.  In any case, if the tail gun was radar guided, it probably wouldn't have been all that effective.  Look how badly the MiGs mauled the B-29s in Korea, the MiGs were too fast for the radar guidance to effectively track and assist the tail gunner on the AN/APG-15 equipped B-29s.

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« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2014, 01:33:36 PM »
Did any of the RB-29s have the AN/APG-15 radar?  Thought only the B models had the AN/APG-15 as per orders from LeMay in 1945.  In any case, if the tail gun was radar guided, it probably wouldn't have been all that effective.  Look how badly the MiGs mauled the B-29s in Korea, the MiGs were too fast for the radar guidance to effectively track and assist the tail gunner on the AN/APG-15 equipped B-29s.

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:airplane: You have accurately detailed the problem with the B-29B's in Korea! That is why, or least I was told was the reason the MIG-15 got so many B-29 kills. The RB-29C's we had in our squadron, (12), had been modified and the tail stinger was a quad 20MM, 80 rounds per gun. Wasn't much, but had heard if you needed more than that, you were "window" dressing to scarce them off. The G-32 was a radar guided firing system, which was monitored by the tail gunner in the rear compartment. No one flew in the tail section, as you see in here, it was removed when the quad's were installed. We had also drop tanks, much like you see on the B-50's and the forward bomb bay was an electronic compartment with 7 "spooks", I called them, operating the different systems. I have never seen a picture of one of these anywhere on line and I have looked! I had some pic's at one time, but lost them, along with a lot of other things in a house fire in 1989.
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« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2014, 01:47:36 PM »
:airplane: You have accurately detailed the problem with the B-29B's in Korea! That is why, or least I was told was the reason the MIG-15 got so many B-29 kills. The RB-29C's we had in our squadron, (12), had been modified and the tail stinger was a quad 20MM, 80 rounds per gun. Wasn't much, but had heard if you needed more than that, you were "window" dressing to scarce them off. The G-32 was a radar guided firing system, which was monitored by the tail gunner in the rear compartment. No one flew in the tail section, as you see in here, it was removed when the quad's were installed. We had also drop tanks, much like you see on the B-50's and the forward bomb bay was an electronic compartment with 7 "spooks", I called them, operating the different systems. I have never seen a picture of one of these anywhere on line and I have looked! I had some pic's at one time, but lost them, along with a lot of other things in a house fire in 1989.

Too bad the pictures were lost, I would have loved to have seen them.  While looking for pictures of RB-29s, I found this one (s/n 44-61727) from the 91st Strategic Reconnaissance Squadron.  It shows the RB-29 with both upper dorsal turrets.  Did many RB-29s keep all their defensive guns or did it depend on which model the B-29 was when it was converted to a RB-29?  Meaning, did those B-29s and B-29As converted to RB-29s keep all their defensive guns while only the B models converted kept their tail gun?  On a sad note, the RB-29 pictured was shot down by North Korean MiGs in 1952.



On another B-29 related note...did you have any experience with the SB-29?

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« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2014, 03:42:50 PM »
Too bad the pictures were lost, I would have loved to have seen them.  While looking for pictures of RB-29s, I found this one (s/n 44-61727) from the 91st Strategic Reconnaissance Squadron.  It shows the RB-29 with both upper dorsal turrets.  Did many RB-29s keep all their defensive guns or did it depend on which model the B-29 was when it was converted to a RB-29?  Meaning, did those B-29s and B-29As converted to RB-29s keep all their defensive guns while only the B models converted kept their tail gun?  On a sad note, the RB-29 pictured was shot down by North Korean MiGs in 1952.

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On another B-29 related note...did you have any experience with the SB-29?

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:airplane: Gosh, wish I could remember a lot of details, but the one you have a pic of is the fore runner models of the RB's. The "circle X's" squadron was famous among my peers for a number of firsts. All we had were modified C's, by the same company, not Boeing, which installed the "solar" aux power units for ground operation and starting! I think the conversion were performed in Long Beach, I think! Not sure about what all the different models had for tail guns, but we only had the tail unit and nothing else. One of the strange things about ours was all the "special" antennas which sprouted out all over the fuselage. We were about 20 knots slower than a standard 29 because of all the junk sticking out of the thing! 
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« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2014, 07:28:36 PM »
As always, thanks for the story and information.
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