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Offline GScholz

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« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2014, 03:44:33 PM »
My favorite implementation of a counter rotating prop on a singe piston-engine aircraft...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=z7gWX7i6148#t=40
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Re: Aircraft projects that you wish had been completed
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2014, 07:24:20 PM »
dH Hornet was completed, but never saw action.

There were protracted discussions about a "large Mosquito" with four engines, large bomb load, very good high level performance. Not proceeded with, IIRC it was felt jets were the next logical step. I believe they also debated a Mossie variant with twin Sabre engines, again not proceeded with, I assume engines that large would have required a fundamental re-design, which up-rated Merlins never did.
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« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2014, 03:34:58 PM »
Quote from: Scherf on September 23, 2014, 07:24:20 PM
dH Hornet was completed, but never saw action.

There were protracted discussions about a "large Mosquito" with four engines, large bomb load, very good high level performance. Not proceeded with, IIRC it was felt jets were the next logical step. I believe they also debated a Mossie variant with twin Sabre engines, again not proceeded with, I assume engines that large would have required a fundamental re-design, which up-rated Merlins never did.
The Sabre Mosquito (i.e. with Sabre engines of the typhoon/tempest) was to be the D.H.101 but was never built. The main reason according to Sharp & Bowyer was that the Sabre engines were needed elsewhere. A Griffon engine was offered instead, but performance would have suffered and DH lost interest in the project. The idea was to build a twin-engine bomber to replace the heavy bombers. Bomb load would have been 8000 lbs (twice the load of the B.XVI we have in AH) for ranges of 2000 miles. Max speed would have reached 430 mph, but even more amazing is a cruise speed of about 330 mph. DH calculated that sending two of these instead of a single heavy bomber (equal bomb weight) would still be much more efficient in any conceivable parameter. Eventually DH built the B.XVI with the bloated bay to carry the 4000 lbs bombs instead.

The Hornet prototype flew as early as July 1944, but there was no rush in making it reach the field because by then a long range fighter was no longer needed - there was no real LW to fight anymore and ranges got shorter. Lighter and smaller than the mossie, two more powerful engines and counter-rotating props this was just an insane fighter. Speed was in excess of 470 mph and obtained at only 22,000.
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« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2014, 01:21:15 PM »
Quote from: BnZs on September 23, 2014, 12:27:58 PM
As the projected speed for the Bugatti is higher than the current world record for piston aircraft, I hope a replica is built and flown!
There's a team in Oklahoma that's trying to do exactly that.

I wouldn't place much faith in the projected top speed for this thing. 500 mph from only 900 hp is highly dubious,  even with such a clean airframe. (Wing drag alone would probably prevent this). It's also doubtful that the "special cooling system" could reject all the heat generated by those two straight-eights, unless you include baking the pilot as part of the system. Losses in the drivetrain are another issue.

 It sure is purty to look at though.  :aok
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« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2014, 03:28:27 PM »
Quote from: Cthulhu on September 25, 2014, 01:21:15 PM
It's also doubtful that the "special cooling system" could reject all the heat generated by those two straight-eights, unless you include baking the pilot as part of the system.

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« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2014, 03:42:31 PM »
Quote from: BnZs on September 25, 2014, 03:28:27 PM
"Opfer müssen gebracht werden!"  :old:
Perhaps, but I'll leave that to the more adventurous (and hopefully fireproof). :uhoh
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Re: Aircraft projects that you wish had been completed, just for use in Aces
« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2014, 05:57:37 PM »
Yeah, those drive shafts whirling on either side of the pilot :uhoh  and I agree that the projected top speed is probably inflated somewhat, but it would be very interesting to see what could have been possible if they ever get that replica project into the air.  Here's to hoping for "some day" to arrive sooner rather than later :aok :cheers:
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Re: Aircraft projects that you wish had been completed, just for use in Aces
« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2014, 06:08:08 PM »
Quote from: tmetal on September 25, 2014, 05:57:37 PM
Yeah, those drive shafts whirling on either side of the pilot :uhoh

You don't what to know where the drive shaft is on the P-39...
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« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2014, 06:33:31 PM »
Quote from: Cthulhu on September 25, 2014, 01:21:15 PM
There's a team in Oklahoma that's trying to do exactly that.

I wouldn't place much faith in the projected top speed for this thing. 500 mph from only 900 hp is highly dubious,  even with such a clean airframe.

Totally agreed. Been thinking the same ever since I heard about the plane. Very, very cool plane though.

They are using a pair of 200hp Suzuki Hayabusa motorcycle engines. The replica will be clearly lighter than the original. But even with only half the power a very accurate extrapolation on the performance of the original can of course be made.
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« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2014, 06:50:34 PM »
Quote from: BnZs on September 25, 2014, 03:28:27 PM
"Opfer müssen gebracht werden!"  :old:

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Aircraft projects that you wish had been completed, just for use in Aces High.
« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2014, 10:59:52 PM »
The flying wing.  There was a flying wing bomber that was in development stage.  There was also a smaller fighter-plane size version that was used for testing.  I think a flying wing fighter and bomber duo would be cool.
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Re: Aircraft projects that you wish had been completed, just for use in Aces
« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2014, 11:26:57 PM »
Quote from: GScholz on September 25, 2014, 06:08:08 PM
You don't what to know where the drive shaft is on the P-39...

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Re: Aircraft projects that you wish had been completed, just for use in Aces
« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2014, 10:54:21 AM »
Quote from: GScholz on September 25, 2014, 06:08:08 PM
You don't what to know where the drive shaft is on the P-39...

talk about feeling the power between the thighs :uhoh at least with the P39 there is only one drive shaft to potentially fail and beat you to death
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« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2014, 02:57:04 AM »
P38K    :old:


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Re: Aircraft projects that you wish had been completed, just for use in Aces
« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2014, 05:08:07 AM »
Quote from: tmetal on September 30, 2014, 10:54:21 AM
talk about feeling the power between the thighs :uhoh at least with the P39 there is only one drive shaft to potentially fail and beat you to death

Given its placement one is more than enough!
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