How 'bout

[RotBaron]

'dem Cowboys! 


     

woot!

HTTR 

^ that's Hail to the Redskins in case you didn't know.

[SysError]

BTW, as a side issue, if you have the time (and the interest) about them Redskins...

Montana The Magazine of Western History:

http://nmai.si.edu/sites/1/files/pdf/seminars-symposia/WaggonerWEBSpr2013.pdf

 

[Devil 505]

[RotBaron]

I don't have the time now to read the whole thing, I am very skeptical of any author that writes things such as this (see below) and then fails to say why it's fallacious:

"Snyder claims the team’s original owner, George Preston Marshall, created the team name in 1933 to “honor” his Sioux Indian coach. As one sportswriter put it: “Marshall had been a racial pioneer of sorts, hiring a full-blooded Native American, Will (Lone Star) Dietz, as coach.”7 This fallacious argument is regurgitated by many WR fans, who are driven by team loyalty and nostalgia. Consequently, Dietz has become tantamount to a mascot for
their home team."

I've read a couple books on GP Marshall and don't have the faintest idea why he would go to lengths to make up a story about who he named the team after; after all Marshall could not conceivably have the knowledge the name would someday get mentally weak ppl's panties all bunched up.

Also in that intro blip about the "history" it failed to mention the Redskins were named the Braves and were moving to the DC area from Boston.

I was at the Cardinals Redskins game, do you know who else was?

[SysError]

... Also in that intro blip about the "history" it failed to mention the Redskins were named the Braves and were moving to the DC area from Boston.

Page 42:

"In spring 1933, George Preston Marshall, the
owner of the Boston Braves, hired Dietz to replace
Coach Lud Wray. Marshall obviously hoped to cash
in on Indian football nostalgia because, with a nod to
Carlisle, either he or Dietz came up with a new name:
the “Boston Redskins.” In 1937, the team moved to
Washington, D.C."

I think you might have misunderstood my reason for the original reply.  The "truth" (if you accept the presented facts in the magazine piece as true) is often more interesting than fiction.

But OK.  If you don't have the time, you just don't have the time.

[RotBaron]

I'm in nursing school right now, my reading list stands at almost 2feet. I'll read the article maybe at Thanksgiving or Christmas though.

I think I understand your point better now, at first I wasn't sure if you were picking a bone. The thing to me is that Snyder hasn't always been diplomatic in his defense of the name, he's a self-made billionaire and is used to getting his demands met; however he did say it best when he implored: "It's a football team", implying the term is nothing derogatory or insidious like Bob Costas & Co would like us to believe.

I've been around all walks of life, at Central HS in Phx with lots of every ethnicity and quite amt of animosity between all, I never once heard "Redskin" used; although I heard everything else imaginable. Fights were common; weekly sometimes daily and the girl fights could get really dirty, pulled earings, clumps of hair. There were crips and bloods representing different ethnicity(s), things got interesting.