180 Turn (inverted)

[Puma44]

As batfink said, it is nearly from experience, feel, prediction, and understanding how each aircraft gains speed in a dive and how well they can pull up. If I'm in a turn blacking out, the guy following me usually will too, in order to attempt to get a lead, or keep my in their sights, then it comes down to timing and roll technique.

In no black out situations I vert/turn as sharply as I can and attempt to de-Energy my opponent by using angles in which they will over compensate for a shot, but this is extremely difficult to explain.

That's what I was getting at but, wasn't sure what you meant or understood.  The point being, it's not a good learning point for those brand new to air combat when they read that the opponent "will black out" without any discussion about BFM/ACM fundamentals.  The message could erroneously be "if I do this the guy behind me is going to black out".  Someone with basic knowledge of the fundamentals, aircraft performance, and situational awareness will not "black himself out" during a fight.  That would cause the pilot to lose sight of the adversary.  "Lose sight, lose fight".  

[wpeters]

I use the rule if I am about to black he has already done so.  Most pilots will try to pull lead and get a shot under the nose.

[Puma44]

I use the rule if I am about to black he has already done so.  Most pilots will try to pull lead and get a shot under the nose.

...and some will use energy management/BFM, pull to the tunnel, and counter for the advantage.  

[morfiend]

I use the rule if I am about to black he has already done so.  Most "NEW" pilots will try to pull lead and get a shot under the nose.

  But as Puma has pointed out,some pilots will not do this!   Instead they may change pursuit from lead to a lag and have reserve energy to attack.

  Also what if the pilot doesnt follow?   You will have given up alt and the enemy can still be in a position to attack.


   Combat is just too fluid to say do this or do that and the enemy will do this or that.  If it worked that way it wouldnt take as long as it does to become proficient at aerial combat.



   

[FLS]

If you are about to black out and the bandit is faster than you and following your turn he's likely to black out. You need to point your tunnel vision at the bandit to see if he's lagging or going for the shot.

[Puma44]

...or apply some BFM within the energy egg and gain the advantage. 

[colmbo]

I use the rule if I am about to black he has already done so.  Most pilots will try to pull lead and get a shot under the nose.

The only time I assume they have blacked out is if they have collided with terrain.

[Puma44]

The only time I assume they have blacked out is if they have collided with terrain.

Yep, that's pretty much a sure thing.  The ground rarely loses.  

[Zimme83]

Yep, that's pretty much a sure thing.  The ground rarely loses.  

No, but it will most likely be called a Ho:er...