New VKB rudder pedals

[WpnX]

See Rule #4

[Gman]

I don't see the point, because I don't see how moving the hips leads to inaccuracy? It's been the method since airplanes were invented after all.

It's gross motor skill versus fine motor skill.  I'm not saying that one movement (ankle or the leg/knee/hip) is completely in one category or the other, but the way the muscular and skeletal system work, the smaller and closer to the extremity, the more "fine" a movement can be made.  IE if you couldn't move your fingers or hand, moving a paper clip on a table with your arm is far less precise than if you can't move your arm/shoulder/elbow, yet you can move your fingers and wrist.  It's much like shooting IMO, some parts of the body are better than others, which is why some types of shooting during stress is easier than others (pistols versus shoulder supported shotgun for example).

I get exactly what WpnX is talking about, and agree for the most part.  The distance from the upper leg to the ankle which moves a lot more with a Saitek type of pedals means longer travel and more moving body parts, which = less precise IMO, whereas with the VKB pedals the ankles which have almost no distance from the motion do 90 percent of the motion required to make that motion.

Now, taking Chal's quote, I do somewhat agree that moving from the hip/leg/etc like a typical airplane rudder pedal doesn't necessarily make it imprecise, it can be really precise I'm sure, but just never AS precise as moving from the ankle like with the VKB type of workings.  Just my opinion. 

[puller]

Ever since getting my pedals I've had to change computer chairs twice, now using a lawn chair, move my monitor forward towards edge of desk, find a different table to sit my joystick on, (on my right instead of in front of me), and have had constant pain in my hips from working the pedals...going to the pedals was one of the best things I could have done for my flying...but the pain in my hips really hurts my ability to play for more than a hour without either getting up and walking or laying down in the floor and stretching...I think that these "ankle" movement pedals are the way to go...even though I will never have the money for them....

[Zerstorer]

One of the major reasons I switched from my last pedals to these was due to hip and foot pain.   

Granted, my older pedals were all metal and used heavy springs and hydrallic dampners so the pain from use was likely more pronounced than you might get from using CH or Saitek Combat pedals.   

[715]

Another point: if you have a computer chair with wheels trying to use your legs and hip to slide the rudder pedals can make the wheeled chair move backwards.  If you are just bending your ankles it doesn't do that.  However, I would not like to lose the ability to control both left and right toe brakes proportionally (versus just pushing a button for full left/right brakes).

[Chalenge]

715/Gman, I get it, but I also see that you can still get the same input by using the knee. Of course, if I was someone that had knee problems I would be looking for a solution. If you go to the site that Drediock posted on Bugeye Technologies the F-22 rudder pedals look like yet another possibility. I think they are designed for a lawn chair position (reclined) like I have in the sailplane, and if they weren't $15,000 (I didn't ask: so it's been said). . . but I think I can still use CH or Saitek pedals for the foreseeable future.

[Serenity]

The human hip, Serenity. The argument is that moving just the foot is more accurate than pivoting off the hip. It's an interesting observation which in a vacuum you might consider valid, since getting linear input out of your typical pedals is impossible without moving the hip. I don't see the point, because I don't see how moving the hips leads to inaccuracy? It's been the method since airplanes were invented after all.

You have to agree that the VKB pedals look cool even still.

Huh. I guess that's a thing. I've never noticed any kind of discomfort while using my Saitek pedals. It feels exactly like every plane I've flown, and THAT'S what I like about it. It's a more seamless transition from work to play.

Another point: if you have a computer chair with wheels trying to use your legs and hip to slide the rudder pedals can make the wheeled chair move backwards.  If you are just bending your ankles it doesn't do that.  However, I would not like to lose the ability to control both left and right toe brakes proportionally (versus just pushing a button for full left/right brakes).

That's my exact problem, lol. I have wood floors in my office and a rolly chair. I bought a really THICK bathroom rug to put under it, and now it doesn't roll AS much.

[WpnX]

Chalenge, I apologize for hurting your feelings. I sometimes forget that not everyone is gifted with the awesome sense of humor that I have. I was honestly joking and even put one of those gay smiley faces next to it... apparently that didn't work.

Serenity, thanks for having an awesome sense of humor.... like mine.

Everyone has their own preference, I'm just saying for me, this is more precise than the CH Pro and Saitek hip pivot style pedals that I used for 15 years.
To compare it to something you might relate to; try drawing fine art or neat handwriting. First try it by only moving your arm from the shoulder without moving your wrist. Next, try it by planting the heel of your hand on the paper and use your wrist. For me, the wrist is much more accurate for the fine movements. It's the same with these pedals when it comes to moving your entire leg or just the ankle.
I'm not a salesman, just wanted to share the word on a product that I though others may find useful. If you prefer the traditional pedals, that's great, I still love ya!

[Serenity]

Chalenge, I apologize for hurting your feelings. I sometimes forget that not everyone is gifted with the awesome sense of humor that I have. I was honestly joking and even put one of those gay smiley faces next to it... apparently that didn't work.

Serenity, thanks for having an awesome sense of humor.... like mine.

Everyone has their own preference, I'm just saying for me, this is more precise than the CH Pro and Saitek hip pivot style pedals that I used for 15 years.
To compare it to something you might relate to; try drawing fine art or neat handwriting. First try it by only moving your arm from the shoulder without moving your wrist. Next, try it by planting the heel of your hand on the paper and use your wrist. For me, the wrist is much more accurate for the fine movements. It's the same with these pedals when it comes to moving your entire leg or just the ankle.
I'm not a salesman, just wanted to share the word on a product that I though others may find useful. If you prefer the traditional pedals, that's great, I still love ya!

I'm a sailor. A ship leaves port with only so much happiness onboard, and the only way to get more for yourself is to take it from someone else. Thick skins are MANDATORY lol.

Hey, I get it, to each his own. We all have our own preferences for things from equipment to aircraft (I HATE cessnas...) and I know from experience every human body has SOMETHING it doesn't like (I have about 4 seperate injuries/issues when I run...) and it's great that there are different options to accommodate!

[Chalenge]

Chalenge, I apologize for hurting your feelings. . .

I have no idea what you mean. Did I miss something?

[Bizman]

That's my exact problem, lol. I have wood floors in my office and a rolly chair. I bought a really THICK bathroom rug to put under it, and now it doesn't roll AS much.

Try attaching yourself to your desk! I've got a rotating chair on wheels. There's a board against the front legs of my desk to prevent the chair rolling forward and hooked bungee straps attached to the arm rests and desk legs to prevent both rotating and rolling backward.

[Zerstorer]

That's my exact problem, lol. I have wood floors in my office and a rolly chair. I bought a really THICK bathroom rug to put under it, and now it doesn't roll AS much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qzGFCye6mU

This might help.