p51 zoom climb

[lulu]

Is p51 zoom climb better then 109 and 190 zoom climb?
It seems the opposite in the game.
Or not?

[Someguy63]

109's and some 190's better in the vertical.

Of the 109's a G14 and K4 are best in pure vertical, while the 109F, G2 and G6 do better in a vertical stall fight.

The 190A5 pretty much matches the 51 (I think) the A8 doesn't, nor the F8, the 190 D9, I dunno about that, and lastly the 152 does better.


Edit: I think the G2 and 6 might be able to keep up with a 51 under some circumstances.

[Krupinski]

Climbing ability from deck: 109K4, 190D9, Ta152, P51D

Zoom Climbing ability from deck @ 500mph+ : Ta152, 109K4, 190D, P51D

At least this is how it seems to me. It feels like the P51 has the flight characteristics of a rock when you point the nose straight up.

[nooby52]

Thing about the P-51 is that you can maintain a good amount of control in a dive at greater speed than just about anything else. This greater speed can, if you're careful, be traded for altitude at a seeming greater rate (faster zoom) than anything chasing you, simply because of the compressibility of your opponent's aircraft while in a steep dive. Problem is it's climb rate isn't as sustainable as, say, a 109-[insert model]. But it gets you high up in a hurry.

[xPoisonx]

Is p51 zoom climb better then 109 and 190 zoom climb?
It seems the opposite in the game.
Or not?

Test them. From top speed on deck then pull vertical at 1-2Gs. Not that big of a difference.

[Someguy63]

Test them. From top speed on deck then pull vertical at 1-2Gs. Not that big of a difference.

We just told him.

[Skyyr]

Most planes will perform a zoom (ballistic) climb the same. There's virtually no difference. Any differences that are present have nothing to do with climb performance.

[hitech]

Most planes will perform a zoom (ballistic) climb the same. There's virtually no difference. Any differences that are present have nothing to do with climb performance.

What!!! You shut your engine off when performing a zoom ?

Climb performance absolutely has an impact on zoom performance.

HiTech

[Bruv119]

P51 is pretty poor compared to other uber mode rides.

[darkzking]

Most planes will perform a zoom (ballistic) climb the same. There's virtually no difference. Any differences that are present have nothing to do with climb performance.

Then how come my p40 can't zoom climb with a 109k4  .

[guncrasher]

Is p51 zoom climb better then 109 and 190 zoom climb?
It seems the opposite in the game.
Or not?

there's one little thing that most people forget to include when comparing climb rates, zoom rates, etc.  and that is the speed of the guy chasing you.

the other day I killed a 262 that was going a zillion mph on the ground so he claimed it was impossible for my pony to get him.  he didnt know I was 10k above him and started the nose down dive to a point I thought he might pass and he did.  almost compressed, overshot him, but I did nail him.

I have done the same thing to a la7 in my zeke...


climb rates, charts... mean nothing when you dont know exactly what the other guy's speed is.


semp

[Kingpin]

Most planes will perform a zoom (ballistic) climb the same. There's virtually no difference. Any differences that are present have nothing to do with climb performance.

What!!! You shut your engine off when performing a zoom ?

Climb performance absolutely has an impact on zoom performance.

HiTech

If ever there was a time for a "BOOM! [mic drop]", this might be it.  

Might even be sig-worthy, actually...

[Changeup]

What!!! You shut your engine off when performing a zoom ?

Climb performance absolutely has an impact on zoom performance.

HiTech

Hehehehehehehehehe

[xPoisonx]

Didn't someone do a test of ballistic climbs awhile ago? IIRC the p38 was the one who got the highest for no reason other then not having to fight torque.

[Chalenge]

Is p51 zoom climb better then 109 and 190 zoom climb?
It seems the opposite in the game.
Or not?

lulu, the example you are no doubt thinking of is the Clarence Anderson engagement that he mentions in most of his interviews, including the Dogfights episode that features him. The thing is that the engagement occurred at 28k and he was flying the 'B' model P-51. Also, the 109 he identifies as a 'G' model was likely a G-6, which certainly is outclassed at 28k where the P-51B is in its best performance range.

The way the history channel portrays the stall of the 109 is also not accurate, but the pilot of the 109 scrubbed his 'E' by pulling heavy loads before attempting the vertical zoom.

Nothing outside of AH performance in that story.