Players to admire

[SPKmes]

Kids will be kids.   

 Thing is he was coaxed into it.... that is the sad part

[FX1]

During my time Levi was the best MA player. Shawk was my great friend and one of the highest respective players for me sense early AW days. 

[GhostCDB]

Skyyr

[Karnak]

Isn't the goal of historical ACM to outfly and kill the other guy while surviving? I would think all flight styles primary goal would be not to die, relatively speaking.

I know this is old, but....

Mission profile seriously impacts this.  You may want to have it that way, yet find yourself in a reduced squadron of nine Hurricane Mk Is climbing into sixty Bf109E-4s because that is what you have to do.  You may find yourself lifting a P-40C to engage hundreds of Japanese planes, including many A6M2s which wholly outclass you.  Perhaps the "thrill" of engaging superior numbers of Fw190A-4s, Bf109F-4s and Bf109G-2s in the 'Varnished Guaranteed Coffin' LaGG-3 could be yours.  You may find yourself heading for a stream of B-17Gs, escorted by Merlin P-51s, in a war weary Bf109G-6 armed with a single 20mm cannon without the option of saying no.  You may find yourself struggling to climb to the altitude of a stream of B-29s in a J2M3a that is gasping for breath in order to make a single attack run.  Reality sucks compared to games.

In AH there is almost no pressure to do anything but timidly fight only when the advantage is largely yours.  In reality that gets you grounded or shot, depending how which nation you happen to be flying for.

[phatzo]

I know this is old, but....

Mission profile seriously impacts this.  You may want to have it that way, yet find yourself in a reduced squadron of nine Hurricane Mk Is climbing into sixty Bf109E-4s because that is what you have to do.  You may find yourself lifting a P-40C to engage hundreds of Japanese planes, including many A6M2s which wholly outclass you.  Perhaps the "thrill" of engaging superior numbers of Fw190A-4s, Bf109F-4s and Bf109G-2s in the 'Varnished Guaranteed Coffin' LaGG-3 could be yours.  You may find yourself heading for a stream of B-17Gs, escorted by Merlin P-51s, in a war weary Bf109G-6 armed with a single 20mm cannon without the option of saying no.  You may find yourself struggling to climb to the altitude of a stream of B-29s in a J2M3a that is gasping for breath in order to make a single attack run.  Reality sucks compared to games.

In AH there is almost no pressure to do anything buyt timidly fight only when the advantage is largely yours.  In reality that gets you grounded or shot, depending how which nation you happen to be flying for.

Good post

[KCDitto]

wow, that was well done...   

[mechanic]

I know this is old, but....

Mission profile seriously impacts this.  You may want to have it that way, yet find yourself in a reduced squadron of nine Hurricane Mk Is climbing into sixty Bf109E-4s because that is what you have to do.  You may find yourself lifting a P-40C to engage hundreds of Japanese planes, including many A6M2s which wholly outclass you.  Perhaps the "thrill" of engaging superior numbers of Fw190A-4s, Bf109F-4s and Bf109G-2s in the 'Varnished Guaranteed Coffin' LaGG-3 could be yours.  You may find yourself heading for a stream of B-17Gs, escorted by Merlin P-51s, in a war weary Bf109G-6 armed with a single 20mm cannon without the option of saying no.  You may find yourself struggling to climb to the altitude of a stream of B-29s in a J2M3a that is gasping for breath in order to make a single attack run.  Reality sucks compared to games.

In AH there is almost no pressure to do anything but timidly fight only when the advantage is largely yours.  In reality that gets you grounded or shot, depending how which nation you happen to be flying for.

Perfectly stated

[Skyyr]

I know this is old, but....

Mission profile seriously impacts this.  You may want to have it that way, yet find yourself in a reduced squadron of nine Hurricane Mk Is climbing into sixty Bf109E-4s because that is what you have to do.  You may find yourself lifting a P-40C to engage hundreds of Japanese planes, including many A6M2s which wholly outclass you.  Perhaps the "thrill" of engaging superior numbers of Fw190A-4s, Bf109F-4s and Bf109G-2s in the 'Varnished Guaranteed Coffin' LaGG-3 could be yours.  You may find yourself heading for a stream of B-17Gs, escorted by Merlin P-51s, in a war weary Bf109G-6 armed with a single 20mm cannon without the option of saying no.  You may find yourself struggling to climb to the altitude of a stream of B-29s in a J2M3a that is gasping for breath in order to make a single attack run.  Reality sucks compared to games.

In AH there is almost no pressure to do anything but timidly fight only when the advantage is largely yours.  In reality that gets you grounded or shot, depending how which nation you happen to be flying for.

That doesn't change the statement of "the goal of historical ACM to outfly and kill the other guy while surviving," it simply requires it to be done under sometimes less-than-ideal circumstances. Therefore, it really doesn't change the way one should fly (as previously stated), it simply changes the circumstances that they might go into when they fly. In light of that, it actually makes flying more carefully (energy fighting vs turnfighting) more important, not less.

[mechanic]

That doesn't change the statement of "the goal of historical ACM to outfly and kill the other guy while surviving," it simply requires it to be done under sometimes less-than-ideal circumstances. Therefore, it really doesn't change the way one should fly (as previously stated), it simply changes the circumstances that they might go into when they fly. In light of that, it actually makes flying more carefully (energy fighting vs turnfighting) more important, not less.

You still don't get it Skyyr. A good pilot will use both energy fighting and angles fighting in the same fight. A great pilot will combine the two so flawlessly that the transitions are hard to spot. Energy fighting exclusively for the purpose of winning above all else is not particularly clever and in this community it is not particularly respected.

[Skyyr]

You still don't get it Skyyr. A good pilot will use both energy fighting and angles fighting in the same fight. A great pilot will combine the two so flawlessly that the transitions are hard to spot. Energy fighting exclusively for the purpose of winning above all else is not particularly clever and in this community it is not particularly respected.

It's a good thing WWII pilots didn't fly for respect, huh? No, they flew exclusively to win.

[Mar]

It's a good thing we're not WWII pilots.

[-ammo-]

It's a good thing WWII pilots didn't fly for respect, huh? No, they flew exclusively to win.

So which aspect are you emulating?  Ah the game or the WWII pilot.  Pick one

[Skyyr]

So which aspect are you emulating?  Ah the game or the WWII pilot.  Pick one

False dilemma; they're not mutually exclusive.

[FLS]

There is nothing wrong with the way Skyyr plays. A lot of players fly the same way.
If you like to play differently that's fine too.

Everybody gets to pick their style of play and who they admire for it.
It's only right or wrong according to your personal bias.

[mechanic]

It's a good thing WWII pilots didn't fly for respect, huh? No, they flew exclusively to win.

I think you are wrong. Honour and respect played a large part in the bravery of pilots from both great wars.