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Offline BuckShot

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Re: Another SKS Question
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2015, 09:05:16 AM »
What does .45-70 recoil feel like, 12 gauge? I've never fired that round.
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Re: Another SKS Question
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2015, 12:25:25 PM »
consider that the average chamber pressure of a 12G is 11000lbs, and the 4570 is 30000.
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Re: Another SKS Question
« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2015, 01:06:38 PM »
What does .45-70 recoil feel like, 12 gauge? I've never fired that round.

Recoil is often attributed to the round when reality is its more often caused by the rifle. Ive had 3006's that were much harder to shoot then my 375 HH. Stock design, barrel length, weight of the rifle, muzzle flash, that way it "fits" the shooter. This is what matters more then actual rounds being shot. I always found the 45/70 a sweetie to shoot. Even in a lever gun its no big deal, yet Im experienced with rifles and recoil doesnt have much effect on me. I find the Weatherbys more of a pain off the bench then even a .458 Win as long as the Win is in a solid platform like a Model-70.

Kids can shoot that 45/70. It must weigh in the area of 10+ pounds and the 45/70 will be a sweetie to shoot out of it. Lovely piece. Congrats.
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Re: Another SKS Question
« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2015, 01:10:00 PM »
Thanks Rich! Can't wait to take this one out to the range.
I've bought 2 books on the .45-70 now. When I retire in 5 years, I'll probably start diving into reloading when I have the time. :)

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Re: Another SKS Question
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2015, 11:48:35 AM »
consider that the average chamber pressure of a 12G is 11000lbs, and the 4570 is 30000.

Chamber pressure is not a good indicator of recoil impulse. It is the weight of the projectile combined with the velocity imparted to it. The 22-250 has some serious chamber pressure but the recoil from launcing the 55 gr slug is pretty minimal even at maximum velocity. It compares very poorly to to the recoil of a 45-70 using black powder and a 325 gr lead slug.
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Re: Another SKS Question
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2015, 01:15:41 PM »
Chamber pressure is not a good indicator of recoil impulse. It is the weight of the projectile combined with the velocity imparted to it. The 22-250 has some serious chamber pressure but the recoil from launching the 55 gr slug is pretty minimal even at maximum velocity. It compares very poorly to to the recoil of a 45-70 using black powder and a 325 gr lead slug.

but you are comparing a 55g bullet and a 300g bullet.
I'm comparing a 400g slug (or shot load) with a 400g bullet.

now shot shells are cylindrical as are 4570 444 or even 600 nitros, not so with a 22 250, which is I believe
a 3006 cartridge necked down to 22. so of course in the 22 250 you would have hi chamber pressures because
of so much gas exiting out the .22 size hole.

not so with my example.
the shot load, say for sporting clays, was not designed to reach more than 100m, so its powder charge reflects that.
the 45 70 on the other hand was designed as a mil cartridge and is supposed to get out to ~1000m. therefore the
powder charge of the 45 70 must be able to send that 400g slug that far and so therefore is much greater than that
of the shotgun and recoil would be greater.

but everything is power to weight, the heavier the gun the less 'felt' recoil.
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Re: Another SKS Question
« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2015, 07:50:57 PM »
Wow! I'm hooked on the Springfield .45-70. My 16 year old son and I went and shot 20 rounds through her today. Awesome rifle! Shooting a bit low with the 1903 Springfield sites at 75 yards but nothing I can't adjust to. Next time out we plan do do 100 yards. Here is a video of Reilly shooting it today. His 2nd shot he damn near hit a bullseye! :)


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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2015, 11:49:22 PM »
Nice. I was thinking about getting one of those.

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Re: Another SKS Question
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2015, 09:46:07 AM »
Thanks for posting the vid!
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Re: Another SKS Question
« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2015, 02:57:21 PM »
You're going to hate me Nef.  :lol

I'm home sick today so I did a quick swap out. :)

I'll put it back to stock after this week-end when I take the kiddo out to shoot a few rounds in it.




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Re: Another SKS Question
« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2015, 04:09:43 PM »
There is one instance I would allow the black folder on any of my SKS... And that is on my SKS-S "Paratrooper".

There must also be a flyable computer available for Nefarious to do FSO. So he doesn't keep talking about it for eight and a half hours on Friday night!

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Re: Another SKS Question
« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2015, 06:30:49 PM »
How'd you get the bolt to stay back like that with the aftermarket mags?  :huh Does the bolt stay back when the mags are empty? I know they don't when they're full.

The paratrooper definitely looks sexier with the short barrel!

What's the hidden compartment in the bottom of the pistol grip for?
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Re: Another SKS Question
« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2015, 06:51:38 PM »
How'd you get the bolt to stay back like that with the aftermarket mags?  :huh Does the bolt stay back when the mags are empty? I know they don't when they're full.

The paratrooper definitely looks sexier with the short barrel!

What's the hidden compartment in the bottom of the pistol grip for?

Not my gun,  but it is most likely empty, although you can engage the bho with ammo loaded by simply engaging it with your finger.  It should hold until you pull the carrier back a little bit.

The secret compartment is for your survival matches, compass and fishing line and hook lol ;)
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Re: Another SKS Question
« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2015, 07:16:20 PM »
Not my gun,  but it is most likely empty, although you can engage the bho with ammo loaded by simply engaging it with your finger.  It should hold until you pull the carrier back a little bit.

The secret compartment is for your survival matches, compass and fishing line and hook lol ;)

Roger that.
LOL on compartment.
I was thinking "I can put 6 extra cartridges in there!" :D

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Re: Another SKS Question
« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2015, 09:16:42 PM »
One of the "Holy Grail" SKS rifles up for auction.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=467571102

North Korean SKS. Probably less than 20 in the US. Last I read, less than a dozen confirmed in US.
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