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Re: Kia Rio a Death Trap?
« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2015, 09:55:12 AM »
Any vehicle not properly designed can be dangerous.

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Re: Kia Rio a Death Trap?
« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2015, 10:10:37 AM »
Weight can also work against a vehicle not properly designed to absorb the energy of the impact.  The Hummer H3 comes to mind.

The H3 is a horrible vehicle. It's an overweight SUV, on a compact pickup chassis.
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Re: Kia Rio a Death Trap?
« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2015, 10:53:16 AM »
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Re: Kia Rio a Death Trap?
« Reply #33 on: February 11, 2015, 10:57:32 AM »
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Re: Kia Rio a Death Trap?
« Reply #34 on: February 11, 2015, 12:55:52 PM »
Even more than weight, you want physical size.  Bigger usually means heavier, hence the rule of thumb that heavier cars are safer, but the weight's really more of a side effect of size.  Lightweight materials can be plenty strong.  Point is, you'll come through a crash a whole lot better if you have 8 inches between you and the steering wheel or door, versus 2 or 3 inches..more room for the seatbelt to stop you, more room for the car to absorb the energy of impact, etc.  Last summer my wife and I rented a new Ford Focus for a long drive--big mistake!  Worst car I've driven in the past decade, probably!  This supposedly "safe" car would've been a major liability in a collision.  It's just too small.  With the seat as far back as practical, my head was brushing the ceiling and my knees were wedged firmly against the lower dash.  Even a moderate collision would've transmitted the force of impact directly into my body, causing serious injury.  Horrible car for a lot of other reasons besides that, but the above was downright unacceptable.

There's a reason so many cars are built like that Focus (ie, built for short people).  The standard model crash dummy used in official U.S. crash ratings is about 5 foot 8 tall.  Car interiors nowdays tend to be more or less designed around that dummy, so as to maximize their crash ratings.  If you're short, no problem (and admittedly, most people are short given that "most" includes virtually all women in addition to short men).  Taller dummies exist but aren't really used for the official ratings so they're little more than a novelty.  The government's gone pretty haywire with respect to crash ratings over the past decade and a half or so, so the automakers do everything they can to eke out good scores.  As such it sucks being tall, and you have very limited selection in buying a car suited for taller drivers.  Lot of tall drivers buy trucks, which are sub-optimal at best.  Between my wife and I we've only owned Cadillacs, Lincolns, Buicks and a Mercury...and even the current models of those remaining makes, nowdays, feel like sardine cans.  Even as recently as twenty years ago a "large" Lincoln of today would've been considered mid-size.  Unfortunately people stay the same size (well folks are gradually getting taller on average) so the trend towards smaller exterior dimensions isn't good in the long run.

It doesn't help that in an effort to reduce costs the US automakers have largely moved to international car platforms that make no use of the larger US loading gauge.  We get to drive sardine cans because Europe has small roads.  Sheesh.  SUV's aren't great either.  They're plenty big, but also tend to wallow and tip relatively easily.  Rollovers are bad.  Traditional SUV's are also built on truck frames and hence not made to the same collision standards as ordinary cars.  Car-based SUV's are nothing more than jacked-up station wagons with worse aerodynamics and a higher center of gravity for folks who're afraid of not being cool enough.

Long story short, modern cars are built as well as possible within the limits of their increasingly small sizes, but you can only do so much with a subcompact.  As always, it's best to maintain good situation awareness and not get in a crash in the first place, or at least react to reduce the severity of an inevitable crash.

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Re: Kia Rio a Death Trap?
« Reply #35 on: February 11, 2015, 01:12:20 PM »
maybe kia drivers just drive like dicks?
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Re: Kia Rio a Death Trap?
« Reply #36 on: February 11, 2015, 10:39:20 PM »
maybe kia drivers just drive like dicks?

<Looks out in Garage and notes the Kia Sportage and Rio>

I beg to differ :)

The Sportage is the best SUV we've ever owned. Well over one hundred thousand miles on it a d nothing but tires, brakes and oil changes.  I was a huge fan of Blazers but this thing puts any of them to shame.  The Rio is the Mrs. Car and no she is not fat :).  Also has been problem free.  We went with the second Kia as the first has been such a great car for us.

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Re: Kia Rio a Death Trap?
« Reply #37 on: February 11, 2015, 11:19:05 PM »
So which does better? The modern Malibu or a '59 Bel Air?

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Re: Kia Rio a Death Trap?
« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2015, 08:24:03 AM »
An old crappy design will of course be worse off than a new good design. Thats a given. Even cars from the 1990's are considered "death traps" today. We're back to:


Any vehicle not properly designed can be dangerous.
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Re: Kia Rio a Death Trap?
« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2015, 09:14:39 AM »
  My cousin is deputy head safety designer for GM in Germany He told me that the Emphasis is on ( in the E.U) reducing the injuries to pedestrians in collisions because deaths and serious injury rates  are very high here in Europe for them
The biggest factor is not size or weight but Energy absorption, if the energy of a collision can be distributed round the passenger compartment and not through it the occupant's have a better chance of survival
Good design achieves this allied with the use of modern materials
The European safety tests take all these factors into consideration when awarding a star rating
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Re: Kia Rio a Death Trap?
« Reply #40 on: February 13, 2015, 10:38:08 AM »
If u collide with a solid object u most likely will have bigger chance to survive in a kia rio than in a MBT. the tank will look just fine but the people inside will not.
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Re: Kia Rio a Death Trap?
« Reply #41 on: February 13, 2015, 07:47:57 PM »
<Looks out in Garage and notes the Kia Sportage and Rio>

I beg to differ :)

The Sportage is the best SUV we've ever owned. Well over one hundred thousand miles on it a d nothing but tires, brakes and oil changes.  I was a huge fan of Blazers but this thing puts any of them to shame.  The Rio is the Mrs. Car and no she is not fat :).  Also has been problem free.  We went with the second Kia as the first has been such a great car for us.




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Re: Kia Rio a Death Trap?
« Reply #42 on: February 14, 2015, 12:29:04 AM »
Either that or the inadequate fog lights.

You might be on to something.  If they extended the nose of the car, thereby moving the fog lights forward, the driver would be able to see further.  It's an obvious engineering flaw resulting in poor fog light authority in obscured conditions, no doubt encouraged by the bean counters to hold down costs at the price of lives.

When will they stop?

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Re: Kia Rio a Death Trap?
« Reply #43 on: February 14, 2015, 11:39:29 AM »
If u collide with a solid object u most likely will have bigger chance to survive in a kia rio than in a MBT. the tank will look just fine but the people inside will not.

Most of the time you're going to collide with some other vehicle though. This is when bigger mass is in your favour. Of course if the opposition is a 60 ton truck it won't matter if you have an SUV or a Rio other than that the SUV has a much longer nose to absorb deformation in case of collision.
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Re: Kia Rio a Death Trap?
« Reply #44 on: February 14, 2015, 01:26:56 PM »
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