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Re: Perk rewards effort.
« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2015, 12:33:06 PM »
An even better best bet is to hit the cockpit and then rake the entire fuselage just for the Hell of it.  :devil



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Re: Perk rewards effort.
« Reply #31 on: March 30, 2015, 12:33:37 PM »
You took the best armed and one of the fastest bombers, moved it up to an altitude that effectively removes it from gameplay. And from this maximum safety you simply dropped 10 tons of bombs on objects.


Or... "you took the best armed and one of the fastest bombers, moved it to an altitude that effectively reduces the chances of drawing every drooling, chest-thumping, forgot-it's-a-wargame" fighter driver for 200miles from descending on you like flies on poop...."

Because, ya know... they're cheap and getting shot up by cannon sporting fighters doing everything possible to deny your gunner a shot is all like, fun!

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Re: Perk rewards effort.
« Reply #32 on: March 30, 2015, 12:34:38 PM »
Look at it this way: when you take off you've spent the perks, you don't have them anymore, so just by landing you earn 100 pts, its a perk farming machine! Just do touch and goes, you'll earn thousands of points, the problem is you'll also be spending thousands. There is a lesson in this somewhere.
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Re: Perk rewards effort.
« Reply #33 on: March 30, 2015, 12:38:21 PM »
Re: Caldera- I've done that kind of pass in a 110 with the big gun loadout, and had the B29 just smile at me and carry on his merry way.

I apparently missed the cockpit, but that still soured me on that attack profile.

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Re: Perk rewards effort.
« Reply #34 on: March 30, 2015, 12:45:32 PM »
Or... "you took the best armed and one of the fastest bombers, moved it to an altitude that effectively reduces the chances of drawing every drooling, chest-thumping, forgot-it's-a-wargame" fighter driver for 200miles from descending on you like flies on poop...."

Even when flying 6k lower, you will rarely get "swarmed" at all.


Because, ya know... they're cheap and getting shot up by cannon sporting fighters doing everything possible to deny your gunner a shot is all like, fun!


There's a reason I don't fly my 29's at 33k... And the number of fighter pilots ingame which actually try to stay out of your tail gun's arc of fire is almost negligible  ;)
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Re: Perk rewards effort.
« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2015, 12:54:50 PM »
Re: Caldera- I've done that kind of pass in a 110 with the big gun loadout, and had the B29 just smile at me and carry on his merry way.

I apparently missed the cockpit, but that still soured me on that attack profile.

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That's kind of surprising that the fuselage tanks didn't light up under that barrage.  :headscratch:

On a related note, I wish the B-24 didn't light up as easily as a G4M1. 
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Re: Perk rewards effort.
« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2015, 01:43:48 PM »
Even when flying 6k lower, you will rarely get "swarmed" at all.

Come on....

 The purpose of bombers is not now nor has it ever been to engage fighters. Yes yes of course, there's always someone(s) who's going to do their own thing.  However, having 0 regard for the sim aspect of AH is no excuse to claim bombers using bomber tactics is somehow not acceptable (or... removed from game play).  I don't up bombers to get in a fight, draw fighters for fun, or test my skillz.  I employ bombers to do bomber stuff, which is to bomb things... hence the descriptive name "bomber".  Doing what I can do to reduce the risk of fighters tearing up my bombers is common sense.  I don't understand why that's a difficult concept, OTHER than looking from the view of not giving a toot about the strategic (war-game) aspect of AH.  This is why I also find it odd that hitting targets is worth garbage as perks go... effectively hitting targets SHOULD be where the perks are, for bombers.

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Re: Perk rewards effort.
« Reply #37 on: March 30, 2015, 01:54:07 PM »
That's kind of surprising that the fuselage tanks didn't light up under that barrage.  :headscratch:

On a related note, I wish the B-24 didn't light up as easily as a G4M1.

Yeah, I had the whole  :huh look on my face too when it happened.

Maybe I only hit it with 20mms.  I don't know.  Most other bombers I've had a fair bit of success hitting them like that, particularly with heavy gun packages.  Maybe it just wasn't my day on the 29s.

Still, I think all it boils down to is hitting the wings should be considered more important than on the other buff types.  :salute

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Re: Perk rewards effort.
« Reply #38 on: March 30, 2015, 02:03:03 PM »
Come on....

 The purpose of bombers is not now nor has it ever been to engage fighters. Yes yes of course, there's always someone(s) who's going to do their own thing.  However, having 0 regard for the sim aspect of AH is no excuse to claim bombers using bomber tactics is somehow not acceptable (or... removed from game play).  I don't up bombers to get in a fight, draw fighters for fun, or test my skillz.  I employ bombers to do bomber stuff, which is to bomb things... hence the descriptive name "bomber".  Doing what I can do to reduce the risk of fighters tearing up my bombers is common sense.  I don't understand why that's a difficult concept, OTHER than looking from the view of not giving a toot about the strategic (war-game) aspect of AH.  This is why I also find it odd that hitting targets is worth garbage as perks go... effectively hitting targets SHOULD be where the perks are, for bombers.

First of all, hitting targets IS where the perks are for bombers. Of course, just like with fighters, some bombers get more perks for that than others. So the B-29 is just a bad bomber to generate perks, same as the Me 262 to the Tempest are bad choices to generate perks when flying fighters. It's the price you pay for flying a monster.
Besides, bomber perks are the most easy ones to gain in AH.

Second, don't try to make it look like I did say someone shouldn't fly the bombers like he wants or even "play my way". I just commented that flying B-29s at 33 k is "effectively removing you from gameplay", which it actually is. At 33k in such a fast plane you hardly ever run into any opposition at all. More security can only be found in tower or offline or by doing resupply runs to your strats.

I am kind of a 'safety flyer' myself, I tend to be very careful when selecting routes and altitudes when flying bombers. I'm not a 999000 screaming "COME AT ME" when flying over an busy hostile base at 8k.
But I found that flying at 33k in a B-29 is quite unnecessary, given all the firepower and speed. Yes, there's a slightly increased chance someone will fire at me when flying at 27k, but that's been countered by a an increased chance of having fun for both (until one goes down.)
And I'm not too sure if it's all that good for the game when during off hours, when there are only few people on, the only hostile con in the area is flying at 33,000 feet...


And, as I'm often falsely depicted as being exclusively a "bomber killer looking for weak prey", just for the record: While I do have 310 kills of the B-29, I have also almost the same amount, 293 kills, in the B-29...
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Re: Perk rewards effort.
« Reply #39 on: March 30, 2015, 02:24:22 PM »
Come on....

 The purpose of bombers is not now nor has it ever been to engage fighters. Yes yes of course, there's always someone(s) who's going to do their own thing.  However, having 0 regard for the sim aspect of AH is no excuse to claim bombers using bomber tactics is somehow not acceptable (or... removed from game play).  I don't up bombers to get in a fight, draw fighters for fun, or test my skillz.  I employ bombers to do bomber stuff, which is to bomb things... hence the descriptive name "bomber".  Doing what I can do to reduce the risk of fighters tearing up my bombers is common sense.  I don't understand why that's a difficult concept, OTHER than looking from the view of not giving a toot about the strategic (war-game) aspect of AH.  This is why I also find it odd that hitting targets is worth garbage as perks go... effectively hitting targets SHOULD be where the perks are, for bombers.

If only the B29 could miss with the bombs from 33k. As it is now, the higher the bomber the better it is for him - more safety without sacrificing accuracy. It should have been that altitude provided safety, but you'll have to carpet-bomb the target to ensure a hit.
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Re: Perk rewards effort.
« Reply #40 on: March 30, 2015, 02:56:50 PM »
Re: Caldera- I've done that kind of pass in a 110 with the big gun loadout, and had the B29 just smile at me and carry on his merry way.

I apparently missed the cockpit, but that still soured me on that attack profile.

Wiley.

I've done the same, but reviewing the film revealed that I only hit with 7.92 rounds. Cannon rounds passed below and above the fuselage as I "raked" it. I then couldn't catch the bloody thing.
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Re: Perk rewards effort.
« Reply #41 on: March 30, 2015, 03:06:08 PM »
You have to go for the soft, white underbelly...




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Re: Perk rewards effort.
« Reply #42 on: March 30, 2015, 03:43:09 PM »
It's difficult, but they aren't unkillable  :devil

And all of the mentioned planes are able to catch up and get into an attack position, but you need time, patience and skillful high alt flying for that.

Only if the B-29 keeps flying in a straight line. If you try to climb over 30K in a fighter (just about any fighter) It takes forever to climb in front with enough alt to make a 'somewhat safe' attack. If the buff turns away from you, there isn't much you can do to get back into position. By the way B-17s will get to 34-35K in game. It's very  very difficult to get in a good position. I have yet to catch a B-29 at that alt. They are simply too fast.

Now if I got hig enogh in front of him and made a frontal attack, You could get one. I had one shot like that on Havermayer once when he was at 35K, I was in a K4. I hit him with a few rounds without knocking him down and I ended up colliding and breaking a wing off. Took forever to get up to him too as I watched his dar bar move across the map on a strat run on a sunday moring when there was not a lot of people on. 

I agree with Snailman, a 30K plus buff is almost untouchable.  :salute
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Re: Perk rewards effort.
« Reply #43 on: March 30, 2015, 03:48:38 PM »
These days, it's a problem to find 4 B-29s during one sortie in the first place. Unlike 2 years ago, we lack a target that really attracts B-29 missions of several formations.

I earned the "4 in one sortie" twice, and each time it was against escorted B-29 raids of several formations (more than 5 in both cases) with escorts.

I think when they first entered the game I killed 2 of Snailman's when I was in a 109-K4. BUT that was before they fixed the fire damage model. I remember they burned quite easily. Also Snail, you were at a more reachable 20K. I also think you shot me down.  :salute

those may have been the last B-29s I killed.

I did kill 3 234s in a sortie once when I found the formation while flying a 262.
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Re: Perk rewards effort.
« Reply #44 on: March 30, 2015, 05:34:16 PM »
You have to go for the soft, white underbelly...

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Fair point, well made.
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