BF-109e4 2x20mm Cannons

[Lusche]

I always thought the 151/20 MG was like a "super cannon" when compared to other single nose cannoned fighters.

Please explain to me which are the best cannons in the game and why? Thanks.

Best explanation you will find here: http://www.quarryhs.co.uk/WW2guneffect.htm

[glzsqd]

I'd say the Tempests Hispano MkV's are the best guns in game. Increased Rate of fire, lighter Gun, Same hitting power and ballistic properties as the Hispano MKII.

[bustr]

Try this article from Tony. The info in it will give you a better understanding of 20mm in the spirit of what you are probably trying to get at.

http://www.quarryhs.co.uk/ideal.htm
 

[BuckShot]

Try this article from Tony. The info in it will give you a better understanding of 20mm in the spirit of what you are probably trying to get at.

http://www.quarryhs.co.uk/ideal.htm

This is an awesome writeup. Thanks for posting!

[Rich46yo]

Thanks for the info fellas.

[PR3D4TOR]

You can see the relative damage performance of guns in AH here: http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/guns/guns.htm

The MG/FF is one of the worst 20 mm cannons, but still equal in damage to about three .50 cals. The ballistics is what makes this weapon difficult to use in a dogfight.

[Rich46yo]

Best explanation you will find here: http://www.quarryhs.co.uk/WW2guneffect.htm

Interesting but I dont like the way they calculate. According to the one graph the MG-FF gets an overall 4.5 while the clearly superior, in every respect except weight, 151/20 only gets a 4.6 over all. A insignificant higher score for what is clearly a superior gun. Im also surprised by the high numbers surrounding the type 99 20mm cannon when its common knowledge the HO-5 was clearly superior. Maybe Im reading it wrong.

Also may I ask how accurately do you believe the performance of the different cannons are modeled in the game? I dont mean maintenance or loading type accuracy, but ROF, range, and damage accuracy? I only have enough experience for an opinion with the Hispano, clearly a terrific weapon, and the Ho-5. A weapon I would rate just under.

Thanks.

[Lusche]

Interesting but I dont like the way they calculate. According to the one graph the MG-FF gets an overall 4.5 while the clearly superior, in every respect except weight, 151/20 only gets a 4.6 over all.

This score is just gun efficiency in terms of "bang per pound of gun weight", and it's not actually ranking the guns from 'best' to 'worst'. Gun power per weight would be just one factor in a equation thats would be quite complex and depend a lot of combat environment and tactical requirements, which can change rapidly.

When I linked this article, I didn't really have this number in mind, but the plentiful information about the catridge and the guns, on which one can base his own conclusions.

[PR3D4TOR]

In a different article Tony Williams ranked the MK 108 as the best WWII aero gun and the Me 262 as having the best armament of any WWII fighter. He also mentions it in that article.

[Rich46yo]

In a different article Tony Williams ranked the MK 108 as the best WWII aero gun and the Me 262 as having the best armament of any WWII fighter. He also mentions it in that article.

I once had a guy take out 3 B26s in one sideways pass with 4 of those 108's. I have had a healthy respect for them ever since. More then any other gun in the game. My general tactics with 262s is shoot early and shoot often because saving ammo means nothing when your dead. I gotta start flying KI-67s again. I think they are the best defensively armed bombers in the game. I once killed a very famous Bomber Hunter in the game in them.

[PR3D4TOR]

  Peggy is one of the best bombers in the game. Great combo of speed, bomb load and defensive armament.

[bustr]

Rich,

Drone circle offline. This is an inefficient way to test it. But, you probably have the skill and patience. Put the planes you are concerned about really killing in the MA in the drone circle. Then get behind them 200-400 and try tapping out one burst at a time while on full zoom and watch the results of the ballistics visa the tracers and the amount of damage.

Put a B25H or B17 in there and count rounds while dismantling them part by part. Miss the cockpit on purpose.

In the end you will show yourself what you already know. In the MA get as close as you can, then load em up with 20mm until they die. Or tap out a few at a time and get lots of assists while feeling fortunate for a few kills.

Predator,

He was doing that based on the destruction ability of the rounds, ganging of four guns in the nose creating a shotgun effect, and the qualities of the delivery platform versus the competing platforms of that time period. Even for real world pilots the 262 was not a simple point and click solution like we want it to be in our cartoon world.

I've never considered asking Hitech if he used Tony's data for the guns in the game.

[PR3D4TOR]

The relative gun damage in the game closely follows Tony Williams'. If it is directly based on it or on some other similar source I don't know.

[Lusche]

I gotta start flying KI-67s again. I think they are the best defensively armed bombers in the game.

B-29? 

I once killed a very famous Bomber Hunter in the game in them.

 

[PR3D4TOR]

Actually Bustr if you're used to taters and know how to fly the 262, it is very much a point and click affair.