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Offline pembquist

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Man gun tracer
« on: May 08, 2015, 04:35:55 PM »
I would like it if I could see tracers from the man gun shooting at my vehicle.
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Re: Man gun tracer
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2015, 05:05:46 PM »
Odd.  Anytime I've taking shots from a Manned Gun, I've seen the tracers (providing I was looking at said manned gun). :headscratch:
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Re: Man gun tracer
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2015, 05:30:23 PM »
I've been told different things about this over the years. Most people have told me that when you turn off your tracers that does not extend to the manned gun. But, AA guns used tracers specifically for the gunner to estimate lead by sight. It's in the german AA manuals. Anti-tank specific guns I'm not sure. Like the 88's AP round if you are supposed to see a burning dot like we do. I would think you didn't want that round to give away your ambush position against tanks. Then again we don't get to use the anti-tank sight the germans did. Then it would be a GVer in here complaining that it's not fair.

So first you might want to ask if turning off tracers will turn off the tracer of a manned gun on a field. If it does, AA light cannons always had tracers so the gunner could judge lead by them. I will bet even when the germans and USN both introduced AA lead computing optical sights for light AA cannon, tracers were still loaded incase of equipment failure and final correction of lead.

The sight in our osti and wirble had an analog director which shifted the vertical reticule line as a lead indicator. Our quad 40's by 45 had lead computing sights with an analog director controller. Most of the osti and wirble used an analog metal sight that had an elevation bar the observer set while the gunner relied on the tracers for lead adjustment. Not as sexy looking as that optical sight in the osti and wirble.
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Re: Man gun tracer
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2015, 06:48:37 PM »
I usually see tracers from man guns if I'm in the air but on the ground it seems like I don't. Might just be coincidence with people having tracers on/off. It seems like sometimes in a t76 I literally can't see them while I'm getting pew pewed to death. Reading glasses.full squint Where? Where? Where?
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Re: Man gun tracer
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2015, 07:35:54 PM »
I believe when it comes to the coax/hull mg's for a gv, the tracers won't show if they have it set to off.  However, when it comes to the main guns (wirble's 20's, ost's 37 and M-16's 50's included), I ALWAYS see the tracers.  Same from any manned gun.  When it comes to gv's/manned guns, turning off tracers just makes it more difficult for you, since they will see them even when you don't.  Least this is how it is for me (I always have tracers turned on. My aim is so horrid that I'm lucky I can hit the ground, flying into it guns blazing :noid).

As bustr pointed out, if you have tracers turned off, try turning them on.
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Re: Man gun tracer
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2015, 07:37:16 PM »
I usually see tracers from man guns if I'm in the air but on the ground it seems like I don't. Might just be coincidence with people having tracers on/off. It seems like sometimes in a t76 I literally can't see them while I'm getting pew pewed to death. Reading glasses.full squint Where? Where? Where?

I've noticed this as well. When gv'ing it is very hard to tell which manned gun is shooting at you. The 88's and the 17lbr are visible, but the manned ack is not, or is inconsistent.

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Re: Man gun tracer
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2015, 04:23:06 PM »
You can bump up your gamma to a point that yess, you see everything regardless of the time of day. Then the higher the gamma, the dimmer some tracers become.
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Re: Man gun tracer
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2015, 08:02:48 PM »
You can bump up your gamma to a point that yess, you see everything regardless of the time of day. Then the higher the gamma, the dimmer some tracers become.

The problem is that there often isn't a tracer at all.

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Re: Man gun tracer
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2015, 09:04:47 AM »
I read a few years back that the tracers can be turned off on the larger cannons like the 37mm field guns, but the shell itself is so large it would still be visible in flight.  Probably just not as visible as when tracers are on.
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Re: Man gun tracer
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2015, 10:40:10 AM »
I read a few years back that the tracers can be turned off on the larger cannons like the 37mm field guns, but the shell itself is so large it would still be visible in flight.  Probably just not as visible as when tracers are on.

The problem is that there often isn't a tracer at all regardless of using the setting to turn them on or off.


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Re: Man gun tracer
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2015, 04:33:24 PM »
I found when I increased my custom FoV, the 37mm tracers got really dinky. I had problems seeing them. Eventually I adjusted my desktop colors and gamma. I think I increased blue and green a tad. Then they showed up better at the wider FoV. Consider that at the default FoV the gunsight is about all you see in the cockpit. Then when you up the FoV to about 110-120, it shrinks down so small only a dot is useful in it without using zoom.

Go offline and set your FoV back to the default and see if your tracers fatten up again.
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