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Offline Rich46yo

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Re: Airbus A-400 crash
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2015, 02:25:13 PM »
Its bad news for the program which had very high hopes when it was launched but has stumbled since then. Theres something about multi-national aircraft programs that cause nothing but problems. That and the A-400 was originally conceived as a transport for a world in a Cold War and with a huge American company as part of the consortium. It emerged into a world that really didnt want to buy expensive air-lifters. Most of all in European NATO where they are scratching their heads at paying 3 times the cost of the latest C-130 to get only 33% more payload capacity.

Anyway NATO is dependent on America for air transport anyways whether they buy the A-400 or not and with the Cold War long over nobody in NATO, except for us, has any enthusiasm for big ticket projects. The bottom line is the A-400 just doesnt lift enough to justify the final price. Thats why over 300 C-130J's have either been ordered or delivered. For that matter almost 300 C-117s have also been delivered to customers. The last time I checked there were about 170 firm orders for the A-400 up to 2025, which I believe was conceived as the programs ending.

As an alliance we all really need this plane to sell and need to keep our lift capabilities relevant. The only thing that has kept the western Democracies out of a major war is strength and that strength is largely made up by airlift capability.

My condolences to the families of the crew. Lets hope this gets straightened out and the program put back on track.
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Offline earl1937

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Re: Airbus A-400 crash
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2015, 03:40:53 PM »
Sounds like a fuel system problem then.
:airplane: Nope! sounds to me like a computer soft ware glitch and again, part of a "fly by wire" system!
Like it or not, people are being used as "live test monkeys" for an engineer's dream world. Not saying "fly by wire" won't ever be safe, but how many "bugs" have to be worked out and lives lost before that happens?
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Offline Zimme83

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Re: Airbus A-400 crash
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2015, 04:12:40 PM »
:airplane: Nope! sounds to me like a computer soft ware glitch and again, part of a "fly by wire" system!
Like it or not, people are being used as "live test monkeys" for an engineer's dream world. Not saying "fly by wire" won't ever be safe, but how many "bugs" have to be worked out and lives lost before that happens?

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What u apparently havent figured out is why a lot less people die now compare to the "good ol days". what u also seems to forgot is that the concept with "test mokeys" were the standard back in those days u still dream about. People died like flies both when testing new concepts and when they used them. For example. SwAF lost one third of their fleet of J-29 fighters due to accident with 100+ dead pilots. The JAS-39 on the other hand, a fly-by-wire aircraft, has not killed a single pilot in 30 years. Todays aviation industry is so far away from using "live test monkeys" as it has ever been.
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Re: Airbus A-400 crash
« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2015, 06:35:43 PM »
:airplane: Nope! sounds to me like a computer soft ware glitch and again, part of a "fly by wire" system!
Like it or not, people are being used as "live test monkeys" for an engineer's dream world. Not saying "fly by wire" won't ever be safe, but how many "bugs" have to be worked out and lives lost before that happens?


"Engine, Fuel System Focus Of A400M Crash Probe

LONDON – An investigation into the May 9 crash of an Airbus A400M airlifter is focusing on the aircraft’s TP400 engines and associated fuel system..."

http://aviationweek.com/defense/engine-fuel-system-focus-a400m-crash-probe
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Re: Airbus A-400 crash
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2015, 04:45:25 AM »
I bet the computer thought the fuel tanks were full and started feeding the engines from empty tanks.
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Re: Airbus A-400 crash
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2015, 04:53:14 AM »
The JAS-39 on the other hand, a fly-by-wire aircraft, has not killed a single pilot in 30 years.

True. The pilot of this prototype only suffered a broken elbow.
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Re: Airbus A-400 crash
« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2015, 07:25:48 AM »
PIO is a killer.
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Re: Airbus A-400 crash
« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2015, 07:31:27 AM »
Magnificent little fighter though, with unique abilities.



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Offline Zimme83

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Re: Airbus A-400 crash
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2015, 09:19:02 AM »
True. The pilot of this prototype only suffered a broken elbow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6yVU_yYtEc

show me a fighter that hasnt any incidents during develoment, Gripens 2 incidents during development is a very good record. Few fighters can beat it.
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Re: Airbus A-400 crash
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2015, 09:22:01 AM »
But the point wasnt to show how good Gripen is but to compare the safety record between fighters from the 50s and modern ones. For ex F-86 vs F-16 or F/A-18 works as a comparission too.
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Offline Rich46yo

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Re: Airbus A-400 crash
« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2015, 02:02:27 PM »
Has the latest Gripen even been exported yet? Also isnt much of its tech licensed from western countries? I think its engines are basically GE engines.

I admire the design as well and think it will find a solid niche in exports.
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« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2015, 02:37:31 PM »
Same F404 series engines as the F-18, though I would consider Sweden a "western country" and to my knowledge no aircraft manufacturer makes its own engines.
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Re: Airbus A-400 crash
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2015, 04:11:08 PM »
Lol. This tread derailed fast. Must remember to not use any examples in the future.
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Re: Airbus A-400 crash
« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2015, 04:15:49 PM »
Hey, we're on page two. What'd you expect?  :old:
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Re: Airbus A-400 crash
« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2015, 06:17:27 PM »