Got the opportunity to ride in a Tesla P85D last night.

[Oldman731]

If everyone had an EV the electric grid of the U.S. would collapse.  We are barely able to maintain the grid in many parts of the U.S., during the summer months, right now.  Add a few million people plugging in their cars, within hours of each other, and bad things will happen.

Just build some more coal-fueled generation stations.  Problem solved!

- oldman

[BoilerDown]

Norway has a huge adoption rate right now, and after 2025 they won't even sell non-EVs there (presumably just cars as truck EVs don't exist much yet).  Their electrical grid isn't failing.  Oh yeah its a cold weather climate there too and they seem to like the cars.

https://electrek.co/2018/05/28/oil-industry-affected-norway-electric-car-adoption
http://www.petroleum-economist.com/articles/midstream-downstream/at-the-pump/2017/electric-charge-for-evs-in-norway

"Even if every single one of our 2.6m personal cars in Norway were electric, charging them would still take up only 5-6% of our total electricity requirements, so the proportion globally is less than people often imagine."

10% of the cars on the road in Norway are EVs now, although the adoption rate is over 50%.  It takes time for them to replace their fleet, because as pointed out, its worse to replace a car that doesn't need replacing.

[Mister Fork]

Norway has a huge adoption rate right now, and after 2025 they won't even sell non-EVs there (presumably just cars as truck EVs don't exist much yet).  Their electrical grid isn't failing.  Oh yeah its a cold weather climate there too and they seem to like the cars.

https://electrek.co/2018/05/28/oil-industry-affected-norway-electric-car-adoption
http://www.petroleum-economist.com/articles/midstream-downstream/at-the-pump/2017/electric-charge-for-evs-in-norway

....and Norway has a huge fiscal surplus and could afford to build the infrastructure to make it possible. Heck, Norway could build most of Europe's infrastructure for EV's and still have money left over to build a Death Star. With a tractor beam. And a nice sky garden - off the chancellors chambers of course.

[Meatwad]

Norway is the future 

[JimmyD3]

I thought Norway had one of the highest tax rates in the world. checked Google;

"Norway is one of the most heavily taxed countries in the world with a total tax burden of roughly 45% of GDP– almost 4x Hong Kong and nearly twice the US. VAT here is a whopping 25%. Personal income tax rates border 55%. Corporate profits tax ranges from 28% to as high as 78%."

[Mister Fork]

I thought Norway had one of the highest tax rates in the world. checked Google;

"Norway is one of the most heavily taxed countries in the world with a total tax burden of roughly 45% of GDP– almost 4x Hong Kong and nearly twice the US. VAT here is a whopping 25%. Personal income tax rates border 55%. Corporate profits tax ranges from 28% to as high as 78%."

...and yet it's citizens have one of the longest lifespans, high quality of life, report high in happiness, kids always score top ten in the world for education, they have universal health care, low crime rates, and lots of blondes. I just thought I throw that last one in there. Cause...well... they do.

Their 1 TRILLION USD slush fund...which means around $200'000 USD fund per citizen for the future... DEATH STAR money... just saying...

...what were we talking about before?

[Skuzzy]

Norway is not the U.S.  In many parts of the U.S. the grid is struggling to keep up with demand and has been in that shape for a few years now.  California, alone, has been hit with rolling brown-outs at least twice this year with more on the way.

That is the future of the U.S. power grid if the demand for electricity continues to increase at the rate it is now.

[morfiend]

EV's are not new,check back into the 20's and you will find all sorts of EVs!


   Tesla,the man not the car maker was able to convert a Pierce Arrow to electric and used wireless power to travel from New York to Michigan. Of course the powers that be said there was no way to make money off free power so it was shelved.

 The power grid in the US may not be able to support this ATM but the real question is Why?

  WWe could have real hybred cars,dual battery packs and a small diesel engine to power the onboard generator,Sweden does this now with Buses and achieve something like 160 miles per gallon while moving 40 plus people. Absolutely no reason why we couldnt do the same thing with person transportation.


  Ya I know no one likes change and an EV doesnt have the sound of a 400hp V8 but you could have the stereo play the sounds of any engine you like.... 


  Soon people will be bragging about how fast their 85KW motor will go!



   

[Vulcan]

The power grid in the US may not be able to support this ATM but the real question is Why?

Because nobody wants more nuclear power - after the japan quake they are all scared of it. Hydro is expensive and big to build, and though it is zero emissions it has a huge impact on the environment. Wind needs the right place with constant wind within a required speed range - and a lot of room, and it still has an environmental impact. Solar needs lots of sun and lots of room.

Right now power generation is the big bottleneck, followed up by EV recharging stations and recharging time.

We need a clean cheap method of generation, and better range on EVs.

[BoilerDown]

Well good thing fusion power plants are only 20 years away.  Just like every year for the past 30 years.

But seriously, most new power is going to be Wind and Solar with battery storage.  That ship has sailed, its already happening.

[Shuffler]

I often pull my RV, 6 horse trailer, floats......


More food for thought. It is dangerous enough to put some people behind the wheel of a 2500 lb. car while eating, putting on makeup, talking on phone. Now you want to put them behind the wheel of a 5000 pound car and make them think they can read the newspaper.

[BuckShot]

The gas that Priuses save while dawdling down the highway, is probably equal to what I burn while trying to get around them.

[BoilerDown]

I often pull my RV, 6 horse trailer, floats......

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1011788218734391296