LA7 Usage: WWII vs. AH

[DmonSlyr]

As skyyr said, It really isn't its fire power that is that impressive. Plus the guns are inaccurate and I cant aim it for crap.

It is mostly the performance it has on the majority of aircrafts in the MA. In real war, the la7 had to fight against a group of late war fighters all in the same ride, who could give the la7 a hard time (I'm just speculating though). In the MA, it fights against planes that are not designed to fight against La7s. It's quick speed capabilities make it very dangerous. It is one of my favorite planes to fly low on the deck and pop up on unsuspecting enemies who don't see you. It is highly deadly because it can catch p51s on the deck and out turn P51s. It is one of those planes just dominates the airspace vs a group of furballers who are uncoordinated. Plus it's ability to zoom climb blows many planes out of the water who try to rope it. Few other planes possess the deadly combination of attributes (quick acceleration, quick climbing abilities, above average turner, 2-3 20mm cannons for quick kills) it has to be as successful in the MA.

[Triton28]

Always enjoyed flying the LA5, but hated trying to shoot things with it.  A third gun would fix that.   

[Sombra]

I would lightly perk 3 cannon La-7. That creates an incentive for players, it makes the game more interesting but not more frustrating, if the perk isn't very high.

For example, the famous car game for playstation, Gran Turismo: it features over a thousand cars. Would it be a better game if you were given 1000 cars to choose from the outset? No, you have to earn the better ones, that is part of the appeal of the game.

Creating a similar system for AH, with most planes having a perk cost would alienate players, I guess... But giving a better variant of an already very capable plane a small cost? The benefits outweigh the disadvantages IMHO.

[save]

Most pilots would enjoy 50% more firepower without weight penalty.

[DmonSlyr]

I would lightly perk 3 cannon La-7. That creates an incentive for players, it makes the game more interesting but not more frustrating, if the perk isn't very high.

For example, the famous car game for playstation, Gran Turismo: it features over a thousand cars. Would it be a better game if you were given 1000 cars to choose from the outset? No, you have to earn the better ones, that is part of the appeal of the game.

Creating a similar system for AH, with most planes having a perk cost would alienate players, I guess... But giving a better variant of an already very capable plane a small cost? The benefits outweigh the disadvantages IMHO.

I personally like that idea, bit seeing how  many people struggle to get perks compared to how easy it is for others. It would almost be too easy for them and too hard for the new guys. In GT you play against people in similar rides so you don't get drilled when you first start.

[shift8]

The LA-7 was one of the most-used planes of the war. Just because it's good doesn't mean it should be perked.

Well this is just plain A-Historical nonsense.

The La-7 entered service for trials in Mid-September of 1944 (ie: extremely late war) in extremely small numbers, a mere 30 aircraft. It did not enter service elsewhere until October, still in smallish numbers, and about a third of those planes were sidelined due to mechanical failures. It did not appear in mildly significant numbers until 1945, which renders its effect on the war essentially meaningless.

The La-5FN DID see significant service in large numbers, but it did not perform as well as the La-7.

[bozon]

I personally like that idea, bit seeing how  many people struggle to get perks compared to how easy it is for others. It would almost be too easy for them and too hard for the new guys. In GT you play against people in similar rides so you don't get drilled when you first start.

Perking a plane, even by a very small cost reduces its usage dramatically. It means that the La7 players that would spend a lot more time in La5s will not face lots of players in La7s. The La5 is quite formidable by itself.

The people that struggle with perks are exactly those that fly the ENY=5 planes like the la7. If they flew the la5 more, they'd have 4 times as many perks. Same goes for the p47m, Spit16, pony D and 190D - fly other Variants and you'll be drowning in perks, and the other variants are very capable as well.

[Skyyr]

Well this is just plain A-Historical nonsense.

The La-7 entered service for trials in Mid-September of 1944 (ie: extremely late war) in extremely small numbers, a mere 30 aircraft. It did not enter service elsewhere until October, still in smallish numbers, and about a third of those planes were sidelined due to mechanical failures. It did not appear in mildly significant numbers until 1945, which renders its effect on the war essentially meaningless.

The La-5FN DID see significant service in large numbers, but it did not perform as well as the La-7.

Actually, it's quite accurate; you're arguing that because it was late in the war, it's heavy usage meant little. You're the one speculating, I'm simply pointing out it was used heavily.

[shift8]

It was not used "heavily"

They existed in very small numbers, as I just pointed out. By the time they got to decent numbers, about 900 at the very end of the war, it was basically over.

Entering that late, with such small numbers does not by any sane definition constitute "heavy use". Especially in the context you originally used it. You originally stated that it was "one of the most used planes in the war," a statement that implies it was used heavily in a overall sense. It isn't true, even in the late war. By the time La-7s got into the war in somewhat decent numbers, the Luftwaffe was basically gone in every reasonable sense of the word.

I'm not even arguing that they should be perked, just pointing out that saying they shouldn't be based on their "heavy use" is pure rubbish.

[DmonSlyr]

Perking a plane, even by a very small cost reduces its usage dramatically. It means that the La7 players that would spend a lot more time in La5s will not face lots of players in La7s. The La5 is quite formidable by itself.

The people that struggle with perks are exactly those that fly the ENY=5 planes like the la7. If they flew the la5 more, they'd have 4 times as many perks. Same goes for the p47m, Spit16, pony D and 190D - fly other Variants and you'll be drowning in perks, and the other variants are very capable as well.

Very true!

The 190A5 and LA5 are the best perk farmers in the game.

[Skyyr]

It was not used "heavily"

They existed in very small numbers, as I just pointed out. By the time they got to decent numbers, about 900 at the very end of the war, it was basically over.

Entering that late, with such small numbers does not by any sane definition constitute "heavy use". Especially in the context you originally used it. You originally stated that it was "one of the most used planes in the war," a statement that implies it was used heavily in a overall sense. It isn't true, even in the late war. By the time La-7s got into the war in somewhat decent numbers, the Luftwaffe was basically gone in every reasonable sense of the word.

I'm not even arguing that they should be perked, just pointing out that saying they shouldn't be based on their "heavy use" is pure rubbish.

You can't say "900 at the very end of the war" (it was actually 2,000) and then claim that they weren't used heavily. You can argue they had little effect, but not that they weren't used heavily.

[Latrobe]

900 is "used heavily" compared to the 33,000 109s, or 15,000 P-47's, or 11,000 P-51's, or 16,000 Yak9's??   

[morfiend]

900 is "used heavily" compared to the 33,000 109s, or 15,000 P-47's, or 11,000 P-51's, or 16,000 Yak9's??   

  Come on bathrobe quit making sense,afterall you know Mr Obtuse is never wrong!


     

[Skyyr]

900 is "used heavily" compared to the 33,000 109s, or 15,000 P-47's, or 11,000 P-51's, or 16,000 Yak9's??   

So you're counting post-war numbers? The Yak-9 was produced until 1948, with total production at 16,769. Seems like you're not actually pulling war numbers, as your quoted numbers are for the entire production run, not the numbers used during WWII.

More than 2,000 LA-7's were delivered for use before the end of WWII, not the 900 quoted above.

[Latrobe]

Again, 2,000 is "heavily used" compared to the other planes used in the war? I would count the Ju87 as "heavily used" as it was used throughout the entire war. Same for the 109 and Spitfires.


I think you might have to admit to being wrong on this one Skyyr. It's ok though, everyone can be wrong from time to time. The first step to recovery is acceptance.