Why People Bother Getting A Job

[craz07]

crabby you still love people never let go of that...

[DaveBB]

Of course, its easier to be miserable and blame everyone else for every little impulse that isn't immediately satisfied, but I'll leave that to the 99%.

You still do that, you just focus it all on General Aviation pilots.

[Yankee67]

Glad I work from home now.  Ya I take an hour or two break during the day to relax my mind.  I was also up at 4 am working on a project and just wrapped up for the day because I got a flash of inspiration when I went to Wally world for trash bags and beer and couldn't let it go until I got it on paper and the calculations run on it.

You and I have the same lifestyle.  Same career maybe?  PE?  I wouldn't trade this for the world.   

[eagl]

You still do that, you just focus it all on General Aviation pilots.

You're a whiny ignorant little baby aren't you?  Twits like you who ignore people with 27 years of civilian and military aviation experience and who have had both formal safety investigation training and over 20 years of routine immersion in aviation safety culture, are the reason why so damn many stupid stuck-up ignorant and lazy pilots die every year in completely preventable accidents.

File a flight plan.  Get a good weather briefing and back it up with your own resources online.  Manually check your freaking fuel for quantity and contamination at EVERY stop.  Turn your radio on and keep it tuned to a frequency where you might gain some awareness of what else is going on in the world around you.  Turn your transponder on even when in uncontrolled airspace.  Read the freaking chart and avoid high volume training areas, both civilian and military, unless you're participating in the training yourself.  And for crying out loud take a little responsibility for your own life by actually ensuring you'll safely complete your flight, instead of merely complying with the minimum required by the rules and hoping it'll all turn out ok and the other guy will save your lazy butt.

Or don't.  Its your funeral, not mine.

Edit - most of this I learned before I logged a single minute in military aircraft, because I had 2 instructors who were GOOD and I learned to fly in San Diego, one of the most complicated airspace volumes I've ever flown in.  I had no choice but to do things right otherwise I'd have been dead a hundred times over before I even got my license.

[FBKampfer]

I get the sense most of you don't have jobs, you have careers in which you work with people who have actual jobs.

As a line cook, I'm making about $12/hr. I close daily, which means I leave when everything is done. If we get some late table that sticks till 10:00, I don't get off till 11:00, which means I don't get home until midnight. Do I get overtime? Yeah, but you can bet your sweet arse it's only because our owner is legally required to give it to me. How do I know that? We're numbers to him. We've got guys that have worked there for 5 years, and he still doesn't know their names. We get $10 Walmart gift cards with our identical,  typed, and (literally) rubber-stamped Christmas cards. He doesn't even come to the party he is nominally hosting.


Do I mind that much? No, I barely interact with the guy. What really pisses me off is that, when you really get down to it, it's my fault that I get sick and need to take a day off. F**k me for using our insurance. I should be perfectly happy to work on my girlfriend's birthday since it's just like any other day, but then I have to tell our bakery crew he wants a three layer cake for his own birthday, and they need to get it done, nevermind the wedding we're doing.


After all that, is it any wonder I really don't care if the guys I'm in charge of screw around a bit? Is it any wonder I milk my smoke breaks for everything they're worth? Of course, if one of the guys calls me up early, I'm flying up those stairs. We're all in it together, and we take care of each other. But I don't feel the slightest bit guilty for being payed to sit on my arse for a few minutes; he owes the entire kitchen staff a hell of a lot more than that.

None of us give a single damn about his profit margin, because he doesn't give a damn about us. I'm privy to some things I'm not officially supposed to know, but let me say we could triple the pay of every staff member, our GM included, and the guy could still buy another one of his fully original Thunderbirds every year with his spending money.


Bottom line, upper management makes no effort to make us care about how well the place does, does an insultingly trivial job of trying to make us feel appreciated, and really feels we exist solely to make their profit margin.

[Mar]

I worked a factory job for almost 2 years. It was a joke. The place was a joke. The management was a joke.  The insurance was a joke. The union was a joke. I'm 6'4" with scoliosis and there were so many times where I had to run punch presses that were too awkward for me to sit at and with very stiff pedals. For 10 hours. Tried seeing if a doctor would talk to them about it but the doctor just gave me bills.

I have no friends outside of my house. I don't know anyone, haven't known anyone, moved around with my family all my life, my back keeps me from lifting too much too long, so no one wants to hire me. Tried getting into college but there was no way I was going to afford it, especially without a job. Probably couldn't even with one.

A lot has happened since then and now I'm unemployed. My brother recently got a job at a Kwik Trip and they seem like great people to work with, unfortunately right now I'm the only one who can drive people around from home when they need to, so for now I planted my bellybutton at home to take care of my disabled wife who's on SSI.

Not much to complain about. I get to see my wife and play games pretty much all day every day. Sometimes I feel guilty about not working, but then I remember just taking care of my wife should be something to be proud of. Not to mention how hard it would be to get a decent job in the first place.

[FBKampfer]

I feel for you Mar. I have a disabled brother, and my parents aren't getting any younger.

I worry every day about what we're going to do for him when they pass away. Unless something changes, we won't have the money to take care of him, especially not if we ever want kids of our own, and for them to have any kind of future.

And I really don't want to put him in a group home. His disability means he's very particular, and easily upset if routine is broken, and sometimes violent. Not out of malevolence, or anger, mind. He just can't handle his emotions, and has temper tantrums. But in my nightmares, I see Of Mice and Men.

And he won't speak up if someone is mean to him. All we can get out of him is "nevermind. It's fine".

He's not fit to work a job, and all that keeps him happy are his 10 year old video games, children's shows on YouTube and Netflix, and playing with the dog. It's not much, but it's really all he has. He doesn't have the coordination to play sports. He doesn't have the awareness to express it as such, but I think he's living vicariously through some of the characters. And it breaks my heart that if we're not very lucky, we won't even be able to give him that.

Alright, venting over. I'm going to go cry myself to sleep now.

[BaldEagl]

I work because I need to pay to live.  An exchange of goods and services.  Capitalism.  I work, they pay, I live.  Nothing more, nothing less.

[PR3D4TOR]

Many people today think they are entitled to get a job from someone else, and a job that's "meaningful" and "fulfilling". No one's entitled to anything.

[JVboob]

I "baby sit" grown men who were convicted of felanous crimes depending on the night its either 229 of them and me or 288 of them and me...you learn alot in prison lol

[DaveBB]

You're a whiny ignorant little baby aren't you?  Twits like you who ignore people with 27 years of civilian and military aviation experience and who have had both formal safety investigation training and over 20 years of routine immersion in aviation safety culture, are the reason why so damn many stupid stuck-up ignorant and lazy pilots die every year in completely preventable accidents.

File a flight plan.  Get a good weather briefing and back it up with your own resources online.  Manually check your freaking fuel for quantity and contamination at EVERY stop.  Turn your radio on and keep it tuned to a frequency where you might gain some awareness of what else is going on in the world around you.  Turn your transponder on even when in uncontrolled airspace.  Read the freaking chart and avoid high volume training areas, both civilian and military, unless you're participating in the training yourself.  And for crying out loud take a little responsibility for your own life by actually ensuring you'll safely complete your flight, instead of merely complying with the minimum required by the rules and hoping it'll all turn out ok and the other guy will save your lazy butt.

Or don't.  Its your funeral, not mine.

Edit - most of this I learned before I logged a single minute in military aircraft, because I had 2 instructors who were GOOD and I learned to fly in San Diego, one of the most complicated airspace volumes I've ever flown in.  I had no choice but to do things right otherwise I'd have been dead a hundred times over before I even got my license.

Are you supposed to be drinking that much on a weeknight?  It threw up a red flag when three out of four of your posts referred to GA pilots as "idiots" in a certain thread. 

Basically what I am trying to say is that your juvenile comments totally invalidated your (probably) valid points on aircraft traffic.  Just like in this thread.

[Swoop]

What annoys me are people who manage to get a permanent sign off from work and live on benefits for their entire lives for no bloody good reason.  Anyone with a physical impairment has a valid reason.  A large number of mental impairments are valid too, however, in this country there are sooooooo many people on permanent benefits due to being 'bi-polar'.  Now I know a couple of people who are actually bi-polar and it certainly can be a debilitating condition......but the great majority of those diagnosed with it are not really bi-polar, they're just bad tempered tossers who need a bloody good hiding every day like they should have gotten during childhood.

[Dichotomy]

You and I have the same lifestyle.  Same career maybe?  PE?  I wouldn't trade this for the world.   

Designer and outside sales actually.  I wish I had thought about being a PE when I was young.  I've worked with the same PE off and on for over 20 years though.  Getting a stamp on one of my designs is pretty much a formality these days. 

[gunnss]

Grin,

I am finishing up twenty years in Tech Ops FAA. Thirty years over all Gov service, I have about six months left and am retiring to continue my writing carrier. (My wife and I write alternate history. Get paid pro rates for it grin.)

In my field (FV-2101 National Airways System Specialist) we are having a hard time finding enough personal candidates that have the skills need to do the job. The job spans running a four megawatt power plant, to installing new equipment, to rebuilding HVAC chillers and boilers, computers, industrial automation, communications, and much much more. No one coming into the job has it all and training can take years. Our current new hires are far behind the curve and are extending the time to certification even longer.

It would really help if the schools taught real skills in place of robot Lego wars....

Regards,
Kevin (Gunnss)

[kilo2]

It would really help if the schools taught real skills in place of robot Lego wars....

I'll have you know some people like robot Lego wars.