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Offline ghi

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Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
« Reply #45 on: August 16, 2015, 09:33:14 PM »
 


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« Reply #46 on: August 16, 2015, 09:54:28 PM »
From time to time, when I see pieces on preparations for long term survival, (especially when it comes to food preparation), I have the following thoughts in more or less the following order.

1.   Pack away an ample supply of cyanide pills.  From what I understand, properly packaged and stored, they have an amazing shelf life.  While only a supposition, I can foresee a situation where, after some amount of inhumane exposure to what can only be justly viewed as the culinary equivalent of waterboarding, some members of your Ark, as one of their final acts, might wish to posthumously thank me for this idea.


2.   If the above suggestion seems too pessimistic in that it telegraphs a certain cancerous defeatism that has to be arrested at any cost, (which, in all truthfulness, might be a legitimate concern given what one would expect to be a high degree of angst or perhaps anxiety for those who would have survived the initial shock and causation of civilization’s descent into dystopia), I have the following recommendation:  Pack away an ample supply of dried spices.  Properly applied, spices can assure that any meal becomes a pleasant experience, and on occasion, even a memorable one. 

As I think about it, like most pill forms of medicine, spices do not so much as “expire” as they lose their potency over time.  That said, I would think that seed based spices, as opposed to say leaf or root based spices, would have a longer shelf life.  (I should point out that my thoughts here are not based upon any evidence, authority, calculation, logical consistency or on anything else expect for the fact that I thought of it.  BTW, my wife contends that this is a common detectable theme in many of my arguments or other “Thoughts-of-the-Day”.)  Perhaps a brief consultation with a Spice Expert who is versed in the subtleties of these sorts of issues would be prudent.


3.   I must congratulate you on providing some degree of specificity with your ingredients.  Often when coming across these sorts of pieces of advice, the author often has a very detailed and technical description of, say, how to heat seal a bag, but is very generic with the ingredients: “Any type of rice and beans will do”.  Pinto or navy beans with long-grain white rice is a step in the right direction, at least in comparison to most other write-ups.

Even so, I think that you need to go farther.

(Ed Note:  On review I was surprised, perhaps distressed, to see how much time I spent thinking about this issue.  Also note, I think that this is the first time I have even thought about this issue in anything other than a passing manner.  I reserve the right to modify or even withdraw any statement upon review).

(Note: 100g is about 2/3 of a cup)

Not all Beans are created equal:

Take for example:
Pinto Beans:
Statistics Report:  16043, Beans, pinto, mature seeds, cooked, boiled, without salt
Energy   kcal   143   (per 100g)
http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/4757?fg=&man=&lfacet=&count=&max=&sort=&qlookup=&offset=&format=Stats&new=&measureby=

And:
Kidney Beans:
Statistics Report:  11030, Beans, kidney, mature seeds, sprouted, cooked, boiled, drained, without salt
Energy   kcal   33   (per 100g)
http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/2875?fg=&man=&lfacet=&count=&max=&sort=&qlookup=&offset=&format=Stats&new=&measureby=


Not all Beans within the same family are equal, preparation makes a difference:

Look at these beans:
Pinto Beans:
Statistics Report:  11049, Beans, pinto, immature seeds, frozen, cooked, boiled, drained, without salt
Energy   kcal   162   (per 100g)
http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/2889?fg=&man=&lfacet=&count=&max=&sort=&qlookup=&offset=&format=Stats&new=&measureby=

Compare to: Statistics Report:  16043 above.


On first blush, rice appears to be more influenced by how it is prepared and whether or not it has been enriched or not.

Short-Grain White Rice:
Statistics Report:  20053, Rice, white, short-grain, cooked
Energy   kcal   130   (per 100g)
Fatty acids, total saturated      g   0.051   
Fatty acids, total monounsaturated   g   0.058   
Fatty acids, total polyunsaturated   g   0.050
http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/6466?fg=&man=&lfacet=&count=&max=&sort=&qlookup=&offset=&format=Stats&new=&measureby=


Long-Grain White Rice Enriched:
Statistics Report:  20045, Rice, white, long-grain, regular, cooked, enriched
Energy   kcal   130   (per 100g)
Fatty acids, total saturated      g   0.077   
Fatty acids, total monounsaturated   g   0.088
Fatty acids, total polyunsaturated   g   0.076

Iron, Fe            mg   1.2
Fluoride, F            µg   41.1
Thiamin            mg   0.163
Niacin               mg   1.476
Folate, total            µg   58
Folic acid            µg   55
Folate, DFE            µg   97
http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/6458?fg=&man=&lfacet=&count=&max=&sort=&qlookup=&offset=&format=Stats&new=&measureby=

Long-Grain White Rice Unenriched:
Basic Report:  20445, Rice, white, long-grain, regular, cooked, unenriched, without salt
Energy   kcal   130   
Fatty acids, total saturated      g   0.077
Fatty acids, total monounsaturated   g   0.088   
Fatty acids, total polyunsaturated   g   0.076
….
Iron, Fe            mg   0.2
Fluoride, F               0
Thiamin            mg   0.02
Niacin               mg   0.4
Folate, total            µg   3
Folic acid            µg   0
Folate, DFE            µg   3
http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/6569?fg=&man=&lfacet=&count=&max=&sort=&qlookup=&offset=&format=Stats&new=&measureby=


As I was thinking about these tables, I was reminded about the standard recommendation from most western nutritionists to not wash your rice before cooking.  Their contention is that most of the nutrients on the rice get washed away in the rinsing process.  But I do not know if you have noticed, but many Oriental and most Middle Eastern cook books written by indigenous authors beseech you to “wash your rice at least five times or until the water runs clear” if you are using anything other than American grown and processed rice.  And their reasoning is not too obtuse.  In villages such as Pakistan, it is not unheard of having the village goat defecate over the rice harvest. 

Type, preparation and country of origin seem to be important factors.  But I think that is just the start of it.  A thought or two below:

I think that these data sets may not capture the vast diversity in rice.  See link.

http://www.riceassociation.org.uk/content/1/10/varieties.html

“There are more than 40,000 varieties of cultivated rice (the grass species Oryza sativa) said to exist. But the exact figure is uncertain. Over 90,000 samples of cultivated rice and wild species are stored at the International Rice Gene Bank and these are used by researchers all over the world.”

http://www.riceassociation.org.uk/content/1/4/documents.html

Comparison of selected nutrients in brown and white rice (per 100g)
Nutrient              Brown rice raw   White rice (easy cook) raw
Energy (kcal/kJ)      357 / 1518             383 / 1630
Fat (g)               2.8                    3.6
Protein (g)            6.7                    7.3
Carbohydrate (g)   76                            78
Fibre (as NSP2) (g)  1.9                      0.4
Thiamin (mg)       0.59                   0.41
Riboflavin (mg)       0.07                   0.02
Niacin equivalents (mg)   6.8           5.8
Folate (ug)               49                           2



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Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
« Reply #47 on: August 17, 2015, 07:05:07 PM »
If it gets hot enough that workers at nuclear power plants abandon thier stations, there really isn't any place on earth you can hide.

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Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
« Reply #48 on: August 17, 2015, 08:59:19 PM »
It takes a lot of balls to live in California.

I only have 2 but it's always cool here.  everything I need is within a block.  well except for guns, those I have to drive 5 blocks.  oh the inhumanity!


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Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
« Reply #49 on: August 23, 2015, 11:55:52 PM »
No way.  AH can't end.

Where I live, there are things that should be considered, and no one will call you a kook for considering them:  large earthquakes, tsunamis, (magnitude 9+ is possible and has happened along the coast of the Pacific Northwest), large volcanoes (St. Helens, Rainier, Hood, Baker -- lots of big volcanoes around here), storms that do things like knock out electricity for 750,000 people at a time (the last one put my parents and their area out of power for more than 2 weeks -- if that happened along with travel problems because of snow at same time, you'd be glad to have supplies).

Then there are the ones where, if you want to take them into consideration, some people think you are a kook, such as EMP attack or large solar flare that takes out electricity in huge area, some other act of war, economic/civil disruption that is large enough, etc.

I estimate that the odds of me needing stored food are very low, which is why if it's costly or too much work, I likely wouldn't get to it.  But if stored food takes me a few days of work once every 30 years and costs $1-2 per man-day of food, I can manage that.

It's cheap and easy enough for me to have this insurance for my family just in case.

Hey Brooke, the "economic" reason you mentioned could be reality soon;

 check the markets meltdown; China stock market just lost over 8.4%;http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/SHCOMP:IND
and American stock futures are down again; DOW-400 points, 3% after -530 drop Friday; http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/stocks/futures

http://www.investing.com/indices/indices-futures



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Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
« Reply #50 on: August 24, 2015, 04:37:37 PM »
It was ugly (and strange) in the market today.

I do think that a large financial crash will happen sometime between now and a couple of years from now.  I think that the result will be more like the Great Depression than a collapse of society, but that's still quite bad.

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Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
« Reply #51 on: August 25, 2015, 09:04:31 AM »
Maybe your day has arrived. A former advisor to the British Prime Minister advises buying bottled water and canned goods.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/stock-up-on-canned-food-for-stock-market-crash-warns-former-gordon-brown-advisor-10469509.html

Me? I'll just find out who my local survivalist is, go round there, shoot him and take his stash!
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Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
« Reply #52 on: August 25, 2015, 12:12:29 PM »
Maybe your day has arrived. A former advisor to the British Prime Minister advises buying bottled water and canned goods.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/stock-up-on-canned-food-for-stock-market-crash-warns-former-gordon-brown-advisor-10469509.html

Me? I'll just find out who my local survivalist is, go round there, shoot him and take his stash!
That's actually a bad idea. :) Most of the preppers I know also do tons of target practice at the range. And these are your normal every day preppers that understand being prepared to not be dependent on the government saving us since we're living in the shadow of volcanoes, on a fault line types, not the nutcases going to extreme on television.

Unless you're hitting the range at a minimum once a month, you'll probably lose that battle, at least here where I live you'd lose. :)

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Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
« Reply #53 on: August 25, 2015, 07:54:54 PM »
Maybe your day has arrived. A former advisor to the British Prime Minister advises buying bottled water and canned goods.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/stock-up-on-canned-food-for-stock-market-crash-warns-former-gordon-brown-advisor-10469509.html

Me? I'll just find out who my local survivalist is, go round there, shoot him and take his stash!

It sounds as if Damian McBride has gone a bit past his Sale/Use By date.

I must say I am trying to decide if his statements, as a former adviser to Gordon Brown, are, irrespective of their validity, ironic or apropos.

Some say, and not without some evidence it must be said, that Gordon Brown, when PM, saved western capitalism.  At this point, of those who share these sentiments, some say “And the UK” while others say “At the expense of the UK”.

I know enough to know that I do not know.  A rare, if not unnatural, state of mind for a present day male to be in I confess.

I do not know, perhaps there is something to all the warning that our well-meaning colleagues continually try to impart to us.  Perhaps we should prepare for the “sacrifice required for the future of the human race”.  We probably have never been in such perilous times since the days of the Mine Shaft Gap Crisis (MSGC).



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Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
« Reply #54 on: August 26, 2015, 02:19:49 AM »
I figure that if it's cheap and easy to be prepared (to a decent extent), why not?

The only thing that remains, then, is for the individual to pick what "decent extent" means.  Is that 3 days of stuff (as recommended by the US government -- not a bad idea at all), 3 weeks, 3 months, a year?  Whatever you pick is better than nothing, and you can at least start at the level that makes you comfortable.

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Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
« Reply #55 on: August 26, 2015, 02:44:43 AM »
That's actually a bad idea. :) Most of the preppers I know also do tons of target practice at the range. And these are your normal every day preppers that understand being prepared to not be dependent on the government saving us since we're living in the shadow of volcanoes, on a fault line types, not the nutcases going to extreme on television.

Unless you're hitting the range at a minimum once a month, you'll probably lose that battle, at least here where I live you'd lose. :)
Hah, I'm not one for close combat. Sniping is my game. Pick him off from a distance.  :devil I'll be getting some range practice next month in a reunion with some of my old army reserve friends. Looking forward to getting my hands on my old service rifle.

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« Reply #56 on: August 27, 2015, 01:28:53 AM »
I will simply dive for fish.  Yum.
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« Reply #57 on: August 27, 2015, 08:19:08 AM »
Hah, I'm not one for close combat. Sniping is my game. Pick him off from a distance:devil I'll be getting some range practice next month in a reunion with some of my old army reserve friends. Looking forward to getting my hands on my old service rifle.

We have something in common! ;)
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Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
« Reply #58 on: August 27, 2015, 08:55:27 PM »
Mine is really easy except the skills needed to obtain my food. It takes years of practice and dedication to gains such skills. It makes me sad that their are people on the board that call out people like myself and don't have a clue what skills are needed to be self sustaining.

1. Remington 700 .270 and 500 rounds
2. Any scoped .22 with 5000 rounds

15 Chickens
3 Pigs, I can shoot wild pigs all day long but i like pork chops from a pink pig..

A good knife and sharpener!!!

1/2 of my protein each year comes from wild game.

Eating rice and beans every day would be a very slow death for me.