This guy was carrying a child

[zack1234]

Greece italy etc do what they told because they are bone idle and relie on EU subs which are IMF backed which is the American dollor.

The majority of European countries are useless and act like single mothers on welfare "loud and argumentative" because they dont need to work.

France has 4 hour dinner breaks!

The UK is the only true capitalist country in the EU.

Germany is a joke.

[SysError]

That's all well thought out, the one caveat I would add is, as an example, Calais, in which people who've clearly escaped whatever misfortune they encountered back home, have found a safe haven, but are still attempting to stay on the move to the U.K., as they believe life will be easier there. Are those guys refugees, or migrants, or something in between? (Not that I have an answer...)

I think that the English maybe of two minds here.

On the one hand, I am sure that any number of English people would find it perfectly reasonable for anyone who found themselves in France to take desperate measures to get out. 

On the other hand there is the “England for the English” crowd.  England has always been a bit like that. 

When planning for the Chunnel started predictions of an English damnation by rabies was a constant hot topic.  At the end of the day the English are a bit of an island people, who like to temporarily escape to Spain or Greece for the sun.

[SysError]

I wonder how many ISIS operatives are moving with these refugees.  Grizz brought this up in conversation and I shrugged it off but the more I think about it, the more brialliant it is.

I think that you are asking for a level of assurance that just isn’t obtainable in the real world.  Can anyone guarantee that not one single person in migration/refugee flow is a member of ISIS?  No.  Life doesn’t work that way.

And besides which, don’t you think that if an ISIS guy wanted to sneak into America wouldn’t he/she just go a get a tourist visa or something?  I mean, if you are a bad guy who wanted to do bad things, would you place the operational success of your mission into the hands of an immigration official adjudicating your case in the heartland?

We accept all sorts of risks in our daily lives.  From commuting to eating a Big Mac with a hot cup of coffee, most people can rationally assess their risk exposures and carry on with a fairly normal life.  I wish that we could do the same under circumstances that are infrequent and unusual.  (Although I must admit that some estimates have this “migration crisis” going on for the next 10 years!  Also worldwide UNFPA puts the number of people migrating at 232 million for 2013 http://www.unfpa.org/migration.  Maybe one way in which we all might start acting rationally is if/when we see this issue as being “normal”).

The authorities need to be expeditious and smart in processing the migrates/refugees.  Again, Europe seems to be a bit of a mixed bag on this.  Stories coming out of Hungary really don’t inspire much confidence towards the notion that an orderly and competent process has been developed and is being followed. 

The NYT just did a well thought out thorough piece on this issue:

“When joining the European Union — as the former Communist countries have done since 2004 — nations are asked to pledge support to a raft of so-called European values, including open markets, transparent government, respect for an independent media, open borders, cultural diversity, protection of minorities and a rejection of xenophobia.

But the reality is that the former Communist states have proven sluggish in actually absorbing many of these values and practicing them.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/13/world/europe/eastern-europe-migrant-refugee-crisis.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

So is an ISIS guy going to get into somewhere?  There very well could be “mess ups” and I guarantee you that some loud mouth on cable TV is going to go polemic on the subject and, claim as if in affirmation of his position, that most people agree with him because of his soaring Nelson ratings.

We need to be sensible.  If someone wants to bring over half of Boko Haram for counseling in NJ, yep, it would be about time say “Hold on – we need to think about this”.  But that is not what is happening.

I think a fear of an unknown and misunderstood culture, and a worrying sense that the economic climate is not yet robust enough to absorb the needs of these fleeing people, is driving some to an insensitive protective corner.  I do not think that it is a tenable position.

Most human beings react sympathetically to people in plight, especially when it is obvious that they had nothing to do with the modern-day, man-made, plague that is raining down upon them.

BTW: Although the US and some of Europe have come under some criticism for not doing enough, the wealthiest Arab states are doing zip.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/09/04/the-arab-worlds-wealthiest-nations-are-doing-next-to-nothing-for-syrias-refugees/

[zack1234]

The US has its own fundementalists who shoot people in Churches

When the West have weened itself from Middle east oil, god help the arabs

The gloves will be off

[RotBaron]

When the West have weened itself from Middle east oil, god help the arabs

The gloves will be off

So very true.

Preemptive strike by Israel is the only hope before that happens.

See (greenies) , I can get on with the green movement too, just for entirely different motives.

[Changeup]

I think that you are asking for a level of assurance that just isn’t obtainable in the real world.  Can anyone guarantee that not one single person in migration/refugee flow is a member of ISIS?  No.  Life doesn’t work that way.

I never asked for any assurances.  You musta thought I did and had been waiting on an opportunity to type your unnecessary and particularly un-insightful, naive, wall of text regarding your knowledge terrorist border crossing protocol and jihadi motivations.

Looky here...this is easy. 

A.  As a refugee, they can become anyone they want EASIER, than obtaining work visas or student visas.  Look it up before you type it.  That's just common sense.
B.  It's a perfect opportunity to move hundreds of operatives.  It only took 20 something for 911.
C.  Once they're in Europe, they can move anywhere legally.

[SysError]

I never asked for any assurances.  You musta thought I did and had been waiting on an opportunity to type your unnecessary and particularly un-insightful, naive, wall of text regarding your knowledge terrorist border crossing protocol and jihadi motivations.

Looky here...this is easy. 

A.  As a refugee, they can become anyone they want EASIER, than obtaining work visas or student visas.  Look it up before you type it.  That's just common sense.
B.  It's a perfect opportunity to move hundreds of operatives.  It only took 20 something for 911.
C.  Once they're in Europe, they can move anywhere legally.

Wow, I didn’t expect that!  Dude you just took this way too personal like.

But OK, I’ll deal with it, but not tonight, far too many vodka martinis.

Fair warning, there a number of topics that you probably do not want to pick a fight with me on: Ancient Roman architecture, Florentine renaissance art, the history of western intellectual thought, the history of modern economic thought, the US Federal Acquisition Regulations, and US immigration law.

If you want a heads up, go figure out what the rejection rate of an I-485 is.

[Changeup]

Wow, I didn’t expect that!  Dude you just took this way too personal like.

But OK, I’ll deal with it, but not tonight, far too many vodka martinis.

Fair warning, there a number of topics that you probably do not want to pick a fight with me on: Ancient Roman architecture, Florentine renaissance art, the history of western intellectual thought, the history of modern economic thought, the US Federal Acquisition Regulations, and US immigration law.

If you want a heads up, go figure out what the rejection rate of an I-485 is.

I didn't pick it, you did.  And we have a Texas A&M graduate, basketball player, in the US for 12 years from LATVIA who couldn't get her visa reapproved.  And we had corporate counsel, immigration lawyers and their Latvian counterparts working on it. 

He's what I know.  The argument that terrorists, by the DROVES, are/could be/probably hiding in the millions of refugees moving across European borders is not something you can argue against and keep a straight face.  You may tell me its your opinion that Euros are keeping tabs on them and all that other immigration hypno-hocus-pocus BS and you might even be able to argue FOR student VISA's being passed out by the billions but, that doesn't have squat to do with millions of live bodies pouring over European borders because those are opportunities to get operatives in-country in real time...I-465's take a month to process...this way, they've been in Europe for a month already!!!! LOL.  Those aren't opportunities waiting on approved paperwork, state dept dwaddlings and fake families living in the Netherlands. 
 

When you add , Intelligence Specialist/Analyst, NCS, Military Intel Analyst 5+, etc to your resume, I'll start shaking in my Interweb boots.

[SysError]

I didn't pick it, you did.  And we have a Texas A&M graduate, basketball player, in the US for 12 years from LATVIA who couldn't get her visa reapproved.  And we had corporate counsel, immigration lawyers and their Latvian counterparts working on it. 

He's what I know.  The argument that terrorists, by the DROVES, are/could be/probably hiding in the millions of refugees moving across European borders is not something you can argue against and keep a straight face.  You may tell me its your opinion that Euros are keeping tabs on them and all that other immigration hypno-hocus-pocus BS and you might even be able to argue FOR student VISA's being passed out by the billions but, that doesn't have squat to do with millions of live bodies pouring over European borders because those are opportunities to get operatives in-country in real time...I-465's take a month to process...this way, they've been in Europe for a month already!!!! LOL.  Those aren't opportunities waiting on approved paperwork, state dept dwaddlings and fake families living in the Netherlands. 
 

When you add , Intelligence Specialist/Analyst, NCS, Military Intel Analyst 5+, etc to your resume, I'll start shaking in my Interweb boots.

I am sorry, when I read your reply post last night I didn’t read it properly.  I guess I really had far too many vodka martinis!

I don’t engage with people who present incoherent arguments as a veneer to their preconceived condemnation of a race of people.

We are done here.

[Changeup]

I am sorry, when I read your reply post last night I didn’t read it properly.  I guess I really had far too many vodka martinis!

I don’t engage with people who present incoherent arguments as a veneer to their preconceived condemnation of a race of people.

We are done here.

But you have no issue dealing a deck of race cards to justify your drunk attack and poor understanding of what someone else writes.  You advertise your poor judgement of drinking and typing and then take the moral high ground.  You're right.  You're done here.

[zack1234]

I am sorry, when I read your reply post last night I didn’t read it properly.  I guess I really had far too many vodka martinis!

I don’t engage with people who present incoherent arguments as a veneer to their preconceived condemnation of a race of people.

We are done here.

How can you say thw above, people from new jersey are odd

[Hetzer7]

 

[craz07]

no one was hurt it was a good day...

[morfiend]

Pii >R round...        Cakes>R square....


   That's whats wrong with "new math"



   

[zack1234]

They are now separating women and children from the men.

Bit creepy.