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Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2015, 07:21:13 PM »
By the way, for folks interested in protecting things from EMP, a cheap and easy way is just to put stuff in a metal trash can with lid (for example, all galvanized steel with steel lid on).  You can get a small 6 gallon one like this, which is easy to store:

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Or you can get a normal 30 gallon one if you have that much stuff to put in there.

If you get a small one, you can put in a solar charger for AA and AAA batteries, an AM/FM radio, some rechargeable batteries, a couple of flashlights, a hard disk backup, etc. and have much room left over.

For a container to work against EMP it has to be conductive and have electrical contact all the way around.  For example, a painted metal box with a lid that doesn't have electrical contact all the way around the lid (because paint is an insulator) would not be a good solution.
It's called a Faraday cage.
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Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2015, 07:48:53 PM »
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Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2015, 07:49:32 PM »
It's called a Faraday cage.

Yes.  Here's how it works:


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Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2015, 12:30:53 AM »
Yes.  Here's how it works:

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Correct. So put in practical terms they can be bigger than a bucket with a lid. Like a shipping container for instance.
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Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2015, 02:19:43 AM »
Correct. So put in practical terms they can be bigger than a bucket with a lid. Like a shipping container for instance.

A shipping container isnt very practical in size for me but they would work ok as long as the doors make lots of conductive contact all around.  Maybe a metal shed with metal floor would work with the same caveats.

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Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2015, 08:41:24 PM »
A shipping container isnt very practical in size for me but they would work ok as long as the doors make lots of conductive contact all around.   Maybe a metal shed with metal floor would work with the same caveats.
You're using 'practical' in the wrong sense, but you knew that. Point being size doesn't matter as long as it's surrounded by conductive material. It can be solid or mesh as long as it is sufficient gauge and completely surrounded. A metal shed would work. So would a shipping container and a bucket with a lid or a chainmail suit.

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Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
« Reply #36 on: September 22, 2015, 11:24:38 AM »
You're using 'practical' in the wrong sense, but you knew that. Point being size doesn't matter as long as it's surrounded by conductive material. It can be solid or mesh as long as it is sufficient gauge and completely surrounded. A metal shed would work. So would a shipping container and a bucket with a lid or a chainmail suit.



I mean that, for people like me, without a place to put a shipping container, it is not a practical solution.

Also, a fine point, but one that is important:  A metal shed or other container will not be a perfect Faraday cage if a portion of its structure is not in electrical contact all around its boundary.  My guess is that most metal sheds would lack a metal floor or would have sliding doors that run on plastic rollers and don't make electrical contact all along their peripheries or would have painted panels that don't make effective conductive contact along their seams to other panels.

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Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
« Reply #37 on: September 22, 2015, 11:51:02 PM »
I mean that, for people like me, without a place to put a shipping container, it is not a practical solution.

Also, a fine point, but one that is important:  A metal shed or other container will not be a perfect Faraday cage if a portion of its structure is not in electrical contact all around its boundary.  My guess is that most metal sheds would lack a metal floor or would have sliding doors that run on plastic rollers and don't make electrical contact all along their peripheries or would have painted panels that don't make effective conductive contact along their seams to other panels.
Ok, you're just wanting to argue now. Don't understand why, but I'll play along. Perhaps you didn't read or just flat out chose to ignore what I wrote.
It can be solid or mesh as long as it is sufficient gauge and completely surrounded.
You're still using a different definition of practical from how it was used. Here, I'll give you the proper definition so you can keep up:
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of or concerned with the actual doing or use of something rather than with theory and ideas.
"there are two obvious practical applications of the research"
synonyms:   empirical, hands-on, actual, active, applied, heuristic, experiential, evidence-based
"practical experience"
Understand now? Sheesh.
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Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
« Reply #38 on: September 23, 2015, 10:43:02 AM »
You're still using a different definition of practical

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adjective prac·ti·cal \ˈprak-ti-kəl\

: relating to what is real rather than to what is possible or imagined

: likely to succeed and reasonable to do or use

: appropriate or suited for actual use

If you can't use something, it isn't practical, is it?  Regardless of its possible functionality, I and most other people can't use shipping containers because we have no place to put them.  For us, if we can't use them, they aren't practical.  We cannot put them into practice.  Maybe for you and a minority of other people in the nation a shipping container is practical.  For me and the majority of other people in the nation, it is not.

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Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
« Reply #39 on: September 23, 2015, 11:14:30 AM »
So, you're just going to be obtuse. Got it. BTW, that also has multiple definitions.
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