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Offline Zimme83

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Re: Best Planes of WWII
« Reply #45 on: November 02, 2015, 10:14:12 AM »

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Re: Best Planes of WWII
« Reply #46 on: November 02, 2015, 03:05:18 PM »
So if they had built over 10,000 of another contemporary transport instead of the C-47 we would have lost the war? Say for example the Douglas DC-5/R3D.

 There was even enough Tante Ju's to supply Stalingrad.

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Re: Best Planes of WWII
« Reply #47 on: November 02, 2015, 03:39:47 PM »
And what made the Goon better than the myriad of other military transports in service at the time?
None of those transports are on the top 10 list of the greatest aircraft of all time. DC-3 usually shows up in the top 5 with planes like the SR-71.
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Re: Best Planes of WWII
« Reply #48 on: November 02, 2015, 04:21:06 PM »
That's inconsequential. We're not discussing what was the best airliner of the 1930s. Nor are we discussing which nation had the greatest industrial base.

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Re: Best Planes of WWII
« Reply #49 on: November 03, 2015, 06:56:49 AM »
That's inconsequential. We're not discussing what was the best airliner of the 1930s. Nor are we discussing which nation had the greatest industrial base.
Nope we're discussing the best planes of WWII. The C-47 falls easily within that category.
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Re: Best Planes of WWII
« Reply #50 on: November 03, 2015, 01:15:13 PM »
Then I ask again: What was it best at compared to other military transports at the time?

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Re: Best Planes of WWII
« Reply #51 on: November 03, 2015, 03:24:40 PM »
Then I ask again: What was it best at compared to other military transports at the time?
Getting the job done. Very similar to the P-51. It wasn't the fastest or the most manuverable or the most rugged or the best armed or any of those things that define a great fighter. What it did was provide the range and enough of the combination of those attributes to get the job done. It had all of the intangibles that made it great. C-47 falls in the same category.

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Re: Best Planes of WWII
« Reply #52 on: November 03, 2015, 03:42:12 PM »
The P-51 had enormous range and great speed for a single engine fighter. It was 'the best' long range escort fighter of the war. The Goony bird had no exceptional attributes at all except for being in civilian mass production before the war started. The Goon was not 'the best' military transport available. It was not 'the best' at anything, but it got the job done and was available in numbers at the right time, much like the JU 52 in Germany.

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Re: Best Planes of WWII
« Reply #53 on: November 03, 2015, 04:03:36 PM »
Which ever plane Hartman is in.



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Re: Best Planes of WWII
« Reply #54 on: November 03, 2015, 07:01:34 PM »
The P-51 had enormous range and great speed for a single engine fighter. It was 'the best' long range escort fighter of the war. The Goony bird had no exceptional attributes at all except for being in civilian mass production before the war started. The Goon was not 'the best' military transport available. It was not 'the best' at anything, but it got the job done and was available in numbers at the right time, much like the JU 52 in Germany.

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You win. One of the most legendary aircraft to ever take to the skies and is in every top ten list (usually in the top 5) of every serious list of aircraft in history and is still in service today doing what it was deigned to do has no place in this discussion because it's completely unremarkable. Got it.
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Re: Best Planes of WWII
« Reply #55 on: November 03, 2015, 07:24:52 PM »
It obviously has a place in the discussion. I just wanted to know what qualities you think the Goon had that made it 'the best' plane of the war. I don't agree that the job the goon did made it the best when most transport planes at the time could have done the same job in its place.

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Re: Best Planes of WWII
« Reply #56 on: November 03, 2015, 07:28:28 PM »
Oh and could you find one of those 'serious' top ten lists please. Thanks.

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Re: Best Planes of WWII
« Reply #57 on: November 04, 2015, 07:37:13 AM »
My choice for the title of 'best military transport' would go to four aircraft.

First and foremost the ME 323 Gigant: The first 'roll-on-roll-off' cargo plane the ME 323 was very innovative and set the standard for military transports. The 323 directly led to other purpose built military transports like the C-123 (also initially designed as a glider) and the C-130. The Luftwaffe operated around 200 ME 323 with a combined payload capacity of a thousand Goons. It was a vital asset in the huge airlift of equipment across the Mediterranean supplying the Afrika Korps.







In the long range transport role I would place the following three aircraft as equal 'best planes' for their excellent range, payload and service to their countries.

The JU 290: Enabled direct communication between Germany and Japan via trans-Eurasian flights over the Soviet Union. Flying high and fast at night they were never intercepted by Soviet fighters. Was essential for transfer of technology, intelligence etc. Also had an innovative loading ramp design and was perhaps the best defended transport with turreted 20 mm cannons and machine guns.



A JU 290 at Stalingrad with its distinctive tail-lifting loading ramp deployed.



The C-54 Skymaster: With similar speed and range as the JU 290 the C-54 enabled effective trans-Atlantic flights between the U.S. and the U.K. Vital for fast transfer of important personnel and and critical equipment. An interesting anecdote is that the first batch of 200 desperately needed dive-flaps kits for the P-38 was transported to England by a C-54. Similar in appearance to a FW 200 it was unfortunately shot down by the RAF in a friendly fire incident, destroying its precious cargo.




The H8K: An excellent flying boat that was a vital communication asset for Japan. With excellent range and payload capacity it was the lifeline to the Japanese Empire's far flung outposts.

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Re: Best Planes of WWII
« Reply #58 on: November 04, 2015, 08:01:43 AM »
The only a/c worth mentioning is the C-54 (DC-4) as it was used post war.

Me323, tho innovative, there was none left by the summer of 1944.

No Ju290s made it to Japan.

Only 4 H8ks remained at the end of the war.

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Re: Best Planes of WWII
« Reply #59 on: November 04, 2015, 08:06:11 AM »
The fact that no axis transport planes survived beyond ww2 has nothing to do with their performance.
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