Windows 10

[Skuzzy]

Many years ago, marketing companies would pay people to take part in surveys.  It was not much money, but it was something.

Today, they are paying the people who steal the information from us.  It is no different then if someone comes to your home and loads up all the items in your home so they can sell them, while not giving you a penny.  I think there are laws to deal with that circumstance, yet in the digital realm, theft is quite acceptable.

At least when the guys are emptying your house, you know what is being taken, which gives you a sense of value lost.

Today companies make billions off the information everyone freely gives away.  I would not mind it if they gave the option to opt out or paid me for my information, but to just take it strikes me all wrong.  I know I am in the minority on that.

[Ratsy]

I know that feeling, Skuzzy.  Not enough people are speaking up.  Until there is a sizable backlash the only defense is a dead-drop email addy? 

It's hilarious - I can't believe some of the products that marketeers think I should buying.  But the Viagra and adult diapers are more than mildly offensive.   

Just kidding...it's more like oatmeal and denture cleaning supplies.

 

[HL117]

They are providing third party access to the information.

Guess this is how they justify giving it away for free, my youngest talked me into tryin it on his machine, haven' t noticed a big hit in performance but the idea of it irks me, think I will re-install 7 to that one and wait till it is no longer supported. 

[Skuzzy]

They are providing third party access to the information.

Guess this is how they justify giving it away for free, my youngest talked me into tryin it on his machine, haven' t noticed a big hit in performance but the idea of it irks me, think I will re-install 7 to that one and wait till it is no longer supported. 

If you go back to Windows 7, just watch the updates, as there are some which give the same telemetry data to Microsoft as it does for Windows 10.  Those can be killed. 

[Mar]

About the only way to stop it is to block access to the servers Microsoft is sending the data to, but that does not really stop it.  It just keeps Microsoft from getting the information.  Then again, they seem to be rotating the servers, so you would have to stay on top of it.

The gathering of the data uses about 10 to 15% of a computers performance.  Microsoft tries to gather it when the computer is idle, but misses on this from time to time.  The are gathering quite a bit of information, which has nothing to do with the operating system.

They are providing third party access to the information.

So just to be clear, there are no settings, even hidden, that will disable the unnecessary data mining in Winblows 10, correct? What about simply not using Cortana, a Micro$ux account, etc...?

[Skuzzy]

There is a setting which will limit the application data mining in "Settings".

Here is a link: http://winaero.com/blog/how-to-disable-telemetry-and-data-collection-in-windows-10/

Disclaimer:  The above provided link is for use at your own discretion.  You are own your own.

[Mar]

Good thing I don't have 10. Just trying make sure I understand the data mining situation so I can inform my friends about it.

Appreciate the help Skuzzy, as always.

[Mayhem]

Why to upgrade to win 10

You have Micro$not Winblows 8 or 8.1 and you hate it.

Unless 10 brings something to the table that 7 doesn't such as the memory limitation on win7 64 home (limited to 16gb vs win 10's 32gb) or apps (Netflix app allows DD 5.1 and 1080p over the browser version which only does 720p and stereo) I honestly would not recommend upgrading to 10.

If you do upgrade to 10 make sure you do an in place upgrade (if you have problems doing the online upgrade you can download the ISO and Media creator for flash drives), this will activate your windows 10 install. I would than back everything up and do wipe and clean install with the iso or created media (Flash). You should not need to use a CD key so skip it when it asks for it during the install and just activate windows once your clean install is complete.

Make sure you turn off all the NSA approved privacy options.

Good Luck.

I had problems upgrading my laptop from 8.1 to 10. I eventually got stuck in a boot loop and had to do a clean install.

For my desktop I have Dreamspark premium that gives me one free copy of windows 7 8.1 and 10 .... I actually burned my win 8.1 key by upgrading it to 10 than doing a clean and clean reinstall. I now have 2 windows 10 pro keys and a windows 7.

If you upgrade you only get a few months to go back to your old windows version or your stuck with 10. Windows 10 activations are fixed to your hardware any major changes and you will be calling Micro$not to get you activation fixed.

[Chalenge]

As always your mileage may vary.

I did the upgrade-in-place on most of my machines, but I had three PCs that just refused to get along with it. There is a reason that happens, but the 'why' isn't really important if you just have to install fresh anyway.

On the three machines that I installed W10 to fresh (paid installations) everything has been really smooth. On the other machines the first 30 days were nearly disastrous with the upgrade-in-place, after which everything got better but still isn't perfect.

[Pudgie]

Was looking on Newegg this morning & I noticed that w/ the 3-pack offerings of Win 10 (OEM, Home & Pro) you're getting SP1.......

None of the standalone versions of Win 10 (OEM, Home or Pro) have SP1 showing to be included..................

Why is that (outside of the very obvious money laundering attempt to get you to pay more to get what should be across-the-board updates)?

Starting to get educated on this OS to prepare for future transition................... ............

 

[Pudgie]

Forgot...........retail versions of Win 10 Home or Pro as well......................... .........

 

[jigsaw]

If... (that's a big if)... I upgrade to 10 instead of just switching to mac..

Was going to do an inplace upgrade to get the free upgrade. Restore a backed up OS Drive (via Acronis or Aomei) to continue running Win7.  Then later do a clean install, probably after circa service pack 1.

Anyone know if that upgrade path would work?

[Bizman]

If... (that's a big if)... I upgrade to 10 instead of just switching to mac..

Was going to do an inplace upgrade to get the free upgrade. Restore a backed up OS Drive (via Acronis or Aomei) to continue running Win7.  Then later do a clean install, probably after circa service pack 1.

Anyone know if that upgrade path would work?

If you make a clone of your Win7 system on another hard disk, you'd have two identical Win7 disks until one of them gets updated or upgraded. That'd be the fool proof way to try Win10. If something went wrong, you could always continue with the Win7 disk like it were the day you put it on the shelf.

It reminds me of the removable hard disk cartridges some people used to keep fun and business totally separated on a single machine.

[100Coogn]

Any reason to download it?

Windows 7 will not support the new DirectX 12
I don't know if Windows 8 will or not.


Coogan

[Skuzzy]

Windows 7 will not support the new DirectX 12
I don't know if Windows 8 will or not.


Coogan

Nope.  It is Microsoft's way to try and force people to upgrade the OS.  Yes, let's fragment the gaming market even more.