Another terrorist attack: US Soil

[NatCigg]

lets look at the facts.

1) He brought up racism.  this is his excuse, and to me its a sign of his thought process. I can assume racism is on the top of his mind and he is projecting his personal viewpoint.  This is a poorly rooted psychoanalysis from me, nothing more nothing less.

2) He did not call the cops. I would assume, like you stated pages ago, because he did not see strong enough evidence. "he did not loose sleep over it" is one way you stated how a logical person could make a decision.

Reopen the internment camps.

"You have one month to leave the country or report to the closest internment facility."

I'm joking but it would work. Do it alongside deporting 11 million illegal aliens.

   did we not give the government the right to look into communications to fight terrorism?  are they using that ability to stop terrorists or is this ability tied up in other more profitable ventures?  it seems we could gather up the individuals under #lovemesomeisis as a start.

[DmonSlyr]

Everyone Gibbers on about too many guns in America!

This has proved to be untrue because the police had to finish this filth off.

The usual rubbish from the family they did not see it coming.

If one person in that room had a concealed carry I promise you the outcome may have been different. The police had to finish them off because bystandars are not going to be out running in public with their assilt rifles looking for these killers,  as to be seen as a suspect instead. That's just stupid.

The people who lose are the people who do not have the opportunity to protect themselves. It doesn't matter what country you are in, bad people will always find a way to do bad things. IED bombs are illegal, do you think those people cared if they were breaking the law? Hell no.

Taking away guns only allows people to not have the opportunity to protect themselves with concealed carry permits.

The acts these cowards portrayed could have happened in any country. Much like in France, which their people have no chance of defending themselves against any form of attack.

These people are nothing but cowards. Their psychology is completely messed up and the only way we will be able to catch these types of people are by killing the sources in the Middle East. 

[rpm]

They bought something from Cheaper Than Dirt in Fort Worth.

FBI agents took invoices from two gun shops, one based in Fort Worth, as well as rounds of .223-caliber and a 9-millimeter ammunition, weapons accessories and an iPhone when they searched the California home of the suspects in the San Bernardino shooting.

The invoices do not say what was purchased from Cheaper Than Dirt, which according to its website is a gun discounter based in Fort Worth, and the second online gun shop, Budsgunshop.com.

Messages left for Cheaper Than Dirt’s chief operating officer, Roberta Wilson, were not immediately returned.

[PJ_Godzilla]

Ouch , your book about me and him should be a great read.  Maybe have PJ write the forward.    I'd still take dollar bet he did not see much, he is racist, and the lynch mob is insane. 

I'm not interested in the content of his heart. Let's say he was - and reported it. Other people would then have been brought into the evaluation loop. It's entirely possible that they'd have dismissed it. OTOH, had it been deemed worthy of follow-on, lives could've been saved, quite independently of his motivations.

As for the rest of your argument, the current process in no way differs from the historical one. The only thing that differs are the (mainly electronic) surveillance tools placed in the hands of enforcement. I'm not a fan of the Patriot Act or DHS, who gave him a pass (raising the question of their own value) but this potential informant is exactly the kind of vigilance that is a. better than stupid and invasive top-down approaches, and b. handled per due process and at the local level like it should be.

Your issue regarding the potential informanbt's state of mind strikes me as irrelevant and illogical.

Ad for the book - most of it is filler for the hot scenes. I recommend skimming between them.

[NatCigg]

I'm not interested in the content of his heart. Let's say he was - and reported it. Other people would then have been brought into the evaluation loop. It's entirely possible that they'd have dismissed it. OTOH, had it been deemed worthy of follow-on, lives could've been saved, quite independently of his motivations.

As for the rest of your argument, the current process in no way differs from the historical one. The only thing that differs are the (mainly electronic) surveillance tools placed in the hands of enforcement. I'm not a fan of the Patriot Act or DHS, who gave him a pass (raising the question of their own value) but this potential informant is exactly the kind of vigilance that is a. better than stupid and invasive top-down approaches, and b. handled per due process and at the local level like it should be.

Your issue regarding the potential informanbt's state of mind strikes me as irrelevant and illogical.

Ad for the book - most of it is filler for the hot scenes. I recommend skimming between them.

the did get this guy... http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/massive-weapons-hoard-found-at-home-of-arrested-li-man/ar-AAg2jfo?li=BBnb7Kz

a good bust, but no beard. 

[PJ_Godzilla]

A good case in point for equal justice. Who got the pass? Not the guy you cite.

[NatCigg]

what was the crime this guy did? scare the government? they were obviously watching him and needed a win.

[bustr]

Based on things like this, anyone who shoots match, or precision bench, or steel targets, or just likes to shoot a lot on weekends will become a suspect. Many of them buy by the 1000rnd case, have probably 10,000rnds in the house, and it's pretty obvious when you carry one of those 1000rnd boxes into the house. The media likes to make sure their brain dead viewers get the full monti on numbers of rounds the person had in their home. Wonderful job the media has done over the last 30 years to help people feel their neighbor is a nut case for owning guns and liking to shoot on a regular basis.

The guy in the article is an anomaly. Based on the occurrence of his kind of anomaly, all aircraft on the planet should be grounded because one will eventually crash for any number of reasons and "mass murder" several hundred passengers. The same logic as, if it saves one life, it's worth depriving the planet's population's access to air transportation.

His crime was impersonating an officer, if he pulled anyone over, unlawful detainment with a fire arm, and whatever goes along with the carry regulations for that state he violated. Owning the guns and ammo is a none starter. You can own as many guns and as much ammo as you can afford. At least he didn't try to fake being an FFL. The BATF guys would not have been kind, and are known to fudge the truth technically on what they uncover in your home when they file charges.

Airplanes and cars are still more dangerous than crazy white guys with guns in gun free zones.

[NatCigg]

Based on things like this, anyone who shoots match, or precision bench, or steel targets, or just likes to shoot a lot on weekends will become a suspect. Many of them buy by the 1000rnd case, have probably 10,000rnds in the house, and it's pretty obvious when you carry one of those 1000rnd boxes into the house. The media likes to make sure their brain dead viewers get the full monti on numbers of rounds the person had in their home. Wonderful job the media has done over the last 30 years to help people feel their neighbor is a nut case for owning guns and liking to shoot on a regular basis.

The guy in the article is an anomaly. Based on the occurrence of his kind of anomaly, all aircraft on the planet should be grounded because one will eventually crash for any number of reasons and "mass murder" several hundred passengers. The same logic as, if it saves one life, it's worth depriving the planet's population's access to air transportation.

His crime was impersonating an officer, if he pulled anyone over, unlawful detainment with a fire arm, and whatever goes along with the carry regulations for that state he violated. Owning the guns and ammo is a none starter. You can own as many guns and as much ammo as you can afford. At least he didn't try to fake being an FFL. The BATF guys would not have been kind, and are known to fudge the truth technically on what they uncover in your home when they file charges.

Airplanes and cars are still more dangerous than crazy white guys with guns in gun free zones.

he had steroids in the house as well and looking at his picture i would guess he used them.  he was living the dream.    when he got pulled over he turned on his self installed flashers and showed his badge. 

“Right now it looks like he's a wacky gun enthusiast and a police buff," the source said. 

[guncrasher]

OK, so you're afraid "saying something" would turn into millions of people reporting rather innocent events and/or authorities would mindlessly and doggedly investigate such things as two men with beards on the corner of 5th and Main?   

no, what I am saying is you can sit here and talk all you want about reporting.  but like the neighbor said, he didnt want to be accused of racism.  really?  I call it bs.  the guy didnt call because he wasnt sure and now he wants the attention.

which brings back my original question.  how are we supposed to know?  the truth is we dont.  let's say the guy calls.  police shows up and ask questions, is the shooter supposed to raise his hands and give up?  police cant just go thru the door.

lots of should've, could've.  but to be honest slim chance if anybody had called that the police would have had enough to even hold them.


semp

[guncrasher]

If one person in that room had a concealed carry I promise you the outcome may have been different. The police had to finish them off because bystandars are not going to be out running in public with their assilt rifles looking for these killers,  as to be seen as a suspect instead. That's just stupid.

The people who lose are the people who do not have the opportunity to protect themselves. It doesn't matter what country you are in, bad people will always find a way to do bad things. IED bombs are illegal, do you think those people cared if they were breaking the law? Hell no.

Taking away guns only allows people to not have the opportunity to protect themselves with concealed carry permits.

The acts these cowards portrayed could have happened in any country. Much like in France, which their people have no chance of defending themselves against any form of attack.

These people are nothing but cowards. Their psychology is completely messed up and the only way we will be able to catch these types of people are by killing the sources in the Middle East.

it's next to impossible to have a CC around here.


semp

[PJ_Godzilla]

no, what I am saying is you can sit here and talk all you want about reporting.  but like the neighbor said, he didnt want to be accused of racism.  really?  I call it bs.  the guy didnt call because he wasnt sure and now he wants the attention.

which brings back my original question.  how are we supposed to know?  the truth is we dont.  let's say the guy calls.  police shows up and ask questions, is the shooter supposed to raise his hands and give up?  police cant just go thru the door.

lots of should've, could've.  but to be honest slim chance if anybody had called that the police would have had enough to even hold them.


semp

This I would call a plausible alternative argument.

[RTR]

How is this entire thread still active???

RTR

[zack1234]

If one person in that room had a concealed carry I promise you the outcome may have been different. The police had to finish them off because bystandars are not going to be out running in public with their assilt rifles looking for these killers,  as to be seen as a suspect instead. That's just stupid.

The people who lose are the people who do not have the opportunity to protect themselves. It doesn't matter what country you are in, bad people will always find a way to do bad things. IED bombs are illegal, do you think those people cared if they were breaking the law? Hell no.

Taking away guns only allows people to not have the opportunity to protect themselves with concealed carry permits.

The acts these cowards portrayed could have happened in any country. Much like in France, which their people have no chance of defending themselves against any form of attack.

These people are nothing but cowards. Their psychology is completely messed up and the only way we will be able to catch these types of people are by killing the sources in the Middle East.

They are not cowards they are savages, the only way to sort this out is to get out of the Middle east and have nothing to do with any of them.

In the UK you dont have to learn English only a made up story of being oppressed, (i have worked with a refugee who was a militant)

Which means in reality you do not have the ability to understand that other cultures exist!

The social media which has been created to be used by imbeciles has also allowed them to carry on as if they have not left the kak hole they have left.

Pakistan is the biggest disgrace on the planet, it ceates people who are angry with every religion and people, it has no allies.

Its easy, if any immigrant complains about the country they have settled in (ONCE) they should be deported immediatley.

We have Poles in the UK who complain about the country that gives them a chance to do other things instead of picking turnips.

[PJ_Godzilla]

Now that's the kind of Northerner talk everyone loves.

While I frequently agree with violator's perspective, I'm definitely more aligned with Zack's pie hole on the matter of cowardice. I don't see this people as cowardly at all. Indeed, I think it takes pretty big stones to drop off the baby and intentionally go commit acts that are almost certain to lead to your own death.

Savage? Perhaps... But I just think of them as the implacable foe. Thus, a terrible calculus of the type advanced by W T Sherman has to apply at about this juncture, and it doesn't bode well. Sherman, pre-Civil War, estimated the number of Confederat casualties required to successfully conclude the war. He did this by taking an estimate of fighting-age males, reasoning that most of them would not be persuaded without death or traumatic injury striking in close proximity.

As for The curious focus on that aberrant loon cited, Bustr, of course you're right... You just need to let go of the idea that the citation is concerned with "justice". It became clear to me, mainly from all the gloat icons, that sticking it to person/persons unknown is more attractive for some. You'll see this at all levels of American society. Lynch's curious warbling yesterday being another fine example... Baffling, unless you think like a perp, a thing I know how to do because of a past youthful life that I suspect I have in common with some. Disclaimer: my perpetration was notably petty and off the public record, thank god... But there is a mindset that Patty Smith characterized, imj, in a song that features an epithet in the title.