49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid

[Vudak]

ahhhh come on Vudak, why should they actually play the game and use strategy instead of "gaming the game" which is soooooo much easier to do? It's how they play these days. If you CAN do it, it must be allowed.

They announce weeks in advance about their big mission, supposedly to generate some action and then they hide off map in a no damage zone bug. Typical 

I give them credit for planning this.  I think they didn't anticipate something that happened and did what they felt was their best option at the time. They, in the aggregate, have a less developed skill set than others, but they are working on it and improving, and their next mission will no doubt reflect lessons learned from this one This is how you learn and develop that skill set...

[The Fugitive]

I agree that these missions would be good for the MAs, I just fear that the players we have just dont want to advance like that. Here they prove that their first idea to counter the problem is a lame use of a known game issue.

These guys have been here long enough to know their way around the game and this is what they choose. These are the same guys who have spent countless hours driving to HQs and learned to range it without setting off the radar. Using techneks learned about artillery and applied them so that a line of GVs can hit the same target (HQ).

They fly tight formations at alt, defend well, and get to and hit their target more often than not. But the first thing they think of when the counter attack shows.... due to the major announcement, is to game the game. I cant believe that these guys didn't think they would have opposition as soon as anyone knew where they were upping from.

I do hope they improve as you say. It would be great for everyone.

[guncrasher]

well dallas invited the pigs to join him and we did. we flew all the way to catch them taking off.  their escort wasnt even ready yet. we killed several at 10k.  we forced them off the map. had a guy trail them.  we knew exactly where they were the whole time.

funniest thing is that we were on dar before they took off.  and nobody intercepted us. 


semp

[lyric1]

They announce weeks in advance about their big mission, supposedly to generate some action and then they hide off map in a no damage zone bug. Typical 

The problems that you run into with aiming for the mission being as realistic as possible.

So typical of this group.
Glad I didn't even bother.

[Shamus]

Early in this thread I posted that if they were gonna come in over 30k dont even bother announcing the mission, I am retracting that. While I agree that running off map was kind of a dweeby thing to do, over all that mission was fun to intercept.

Vudak has a good point and I hope that the 49th takes his advice about launching fighters to cap the launch field.

This made for a nice non FSO Friday. <S> 49th.

[Chris79]

well dallas invited the pigs to join him and we did. we flew all the way to catch them taking off.  their escort wasnt even ready yet. we killed several at 10k.  we forced them off the map. had a guy trail them.  we knew exactly where they were the whole time.

funniest thing is that we were on dar before they took off.  and nobody intercepted us. 


semp

I was watching that day move around the map last night. I was unsure as to what was going with until I saw the nearby rook bases flash. I just wish you did not kill so many off them, by the time I got a 163 all I saw was 2 smoking rook 29's, one knit 262, and one knit 152.

[eddiek]

Sounds like an interesting evening in the arena.  I'm wanting to see how many of the 66 B-29's rtb'd. 
I like the overall idea of the raid.  Reminds me of the old days when Mathman ran HQ missions.  His were almost always the same......he would announce on the arena wide channel that he was organizing a raid, "Greeting hated enemies!.....", state his intentions, throw a salute out, and away they went.
I was in The Assassins then, and we'd normally continue to furrball or whatever we were doing that night, while keeping an eye on the dar bar.  You usually had half an hour to an hour before you needed to scramble for alt.  Usually we'd hit the bomber stream at 20K, rarely higher than that.  Cause I was such a Jug fan, our squad CO hblair would usually reach alt in his G10 several minutes before me, and would give us an estimate of bomber strength and escort types.  The missions were fun, brought a lot of players together in those sectors, and from my memory, there were few if any hard feelings afterwards. 
Just my thoughts, but going off map is very gamey.  The B29 has such massive defensive firepower.....to announce a mega raid weeks in advance, then go off map so you can't be killed.......
I'm hoping the economy and my own financial situation will improve such that I can return to the game.  Reading these threads brings back a ton of memories, and makes me want to get involved again. 

[rpm]

off map flying.... Lame and gamey.

Then they whine on 200 when you shoot them down while 5 escorts can't defend them against 1 Bish. "But you had alt and E advantage!"

[Dundee]

off map flying.... Lame and gamey.

Not half as lame as enemy fighters trying to vulch the take off, and over 20 163's at Bish HQ...one reason we went off the map, don't forget we published the time the mission rolled.....no one else has ever done that lately..........If the mission was lame, then the critics should show everyone how they would do it   ( the sound of crickets )...............talk is cheap and actions speak louder than words. In the mean time we're planning another one for the last Friday in February

[8thJinx]

off map flying.... Lame and gamey.

[Vudak]

Not half as lame as enemy fighters trying to vulch the take off, and over 20 163's at Bish HQ...one reason we went off the map, don't forget we published the time the mission rolled.....no one else has ever done that lately..........If the mission was lame, then the critics should show everyone how they would do it   ( the sound of crickets )...............talk is cheap and actions speak louder than words. In the mean time we're planning another one for the last Friday in February

No, going somewhere where a bug prevents rounds from having any effect is more lame than intercepting a mission earlier than the mission planers wanted, or 163's rolling from one of the few fields where they're enabled (and where the mission planners chose to fly near).  You are not going to win that argument

You also don't get to claim crickets here as I explained out how I would have dealt with inbound fighters who had to travel 5-6 sectors to reach you and could be easily tracked, intercepted, and dealt with... 

A suggestion for next time, 49Dallas...  Send a few of your better sticks out in 262's prior to your mission to intercept the interceptors...  They don't even need to shoot anyone down.  All they need to do is stay aggressive enough that the interceptors can't keep their speed/alt/heading.  I mean you've seen how effective a 262 can be at breaking up a base assault if it just hangs out near the reinforcement stream.  Same concept. 

[Vudak]

edit -double post.

[scott66]

Well I had a blast constant enemy contact and harassment is what I was looking for..I had no idea about the off the map bug and either did allot of the other 29s as we fire at this jug off the map I think he knew as he was just flying thru our formation until re entry..he didn't last long after we were back on the map..and no my 29s never made it back but landing wasn't an option as I realized I would be out of fuel somewhere over the target and that's what exactly happened..I did manage a few kills and allot of assists no damage on target as I think I missed but it was cool to see bish and nit 152s and jugs working side by side not engaging each other but taking turns on us..to me it was a complete success.it wasn't just about hitting strats it was about getting every side working together for one mission either kill or fly with them..it had that affect long after the mission was over..bishop re supped their strats and then flew retaliation strat runs against the rooks working together..this was just one mission on one map that by morning all was as it never happened it's not the end of the world thank you 49ers I had fun!

[Dundee]

No, going somewhere where a bug prevents rounds from having any effect is more lame than intercepting a mission earlier than the mission planers wanted, or 163's rolling from one of the few fields where they're enabled (and where the mission planners chose to fly near).  You are not going to win that argument

You also don't get to claim crickets here as I explained out how I would have dealt with inbound fighters who had to travel 5-6 sectors to reach you and could be easily tracked, intercepted, and dealt with...

Hey I'm Old School...............show me.....Tell me... Vudak show me how well you run a mission........

[scott66]

  to our fighter escort as from what I was able to see they killed 9+ enemy Fighters before they got to me they were very busy and dealing with fuel issues as well..a learning experience for all I imagine