« previous next »
Pages: 1 [2]   Go Down

Author Topic: Flap Blow-Up.  (Read 3746 times)

Offline FLS

  • AH Training Corps
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 11621
      • Trainer's Website
Re: Flap Blow-Up.
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2016, 10:27:06 AM »
Quote from: lyric1 on January 12, 2016, 11:14:35 PM
Gives them an advantage that they can deploy flaps at high speeds & then stay maneuverable when the flaps should have retracted.

Is that worse than the other aircraft whose flaps retract when they should be damaged?
Logged

Offline lyric1

  • Skinner Team
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 10687
Re: Flap Blow-Up.
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2016, 01:05:27 PM »
Quote from: FLS on January 13, 2016, 10:27:06 AM
Is that worse than the other aircraft whose flaps retract when they should be damaged?

Have not looked into other aircraft & the flight manuals to see what they do or don't with regards to blow up.
Logged

Offline Chalenge

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15179
Re: Flap Blow-Up.
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2016, 02:53:15 PM »
Quote from: FLS on January 13, 2016, 10:27:06 AM
Is that worse than the other aircraft whose flaps retract when they should be damaged?

False argument, since there are several areas of "damage" that do not occur, ever. In the case of the F4U flaps (if they really are out of spec) a difference of 20-30mph would be "inventing" data rather then sticking to documented evidence. We have never seen HiTech accept anything except empirical data, so you would expect the F4U to adhere to that.
Logged
If you like the Sick Puppy Custom Sound Pack the please consider contributing for future updates by sending a months dues to Hitech Creations for account "Chalenge." Every little bit helps.

Offline 49Dallas

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 279
Re: Flap Blow-Up.
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2016, 04:12:49 PM »
Anyone else notice the drop tanks, pilon, and landing gear limits?

MAX DIVING SPEED:

Landing gear: 200 knots-230 MPH

Center drop tank: 375 knots- 431 MPH

Twin pylon drop tank 375 knots- 431 MPH

Logged

Offline FLS

  • AH Training Corps
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 11621
      • Trainer's Website
Re: Flap Blow-Up.
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2016, 05:33:50 PM »
Quote from: Chalenge on January 13, 2016, 02:53:15 PM
False argument, since there are several areas of "damage" that do not occur, ever. In the case of the F4U flaps (if they really are out of spec) a difference of 20-30mph would be "inventing" data rather then sticking to documented evidence. We have never seen HiTech accept anything except empirical data, so you would expect the F4U to adhere to that.

You ignore my point to nitpick a rethorical question.  :D

This is my point.

Quote from: FLS on January 12, 2016, 11:08:27 PM
All the aircraft in AH auto retract flaps at their max deployment speeds.  The F4U models don't include flap blow up, they just conform to the game design.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2016, 06:06:26 PM by FLS »
Logged

Offline Chalenge

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15179
Re: Flap Blow-Up.
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2016, 07:48:36 PM »
You have no point, so I corrected your misleading, and pointless comment.
Logged
If you like the Sick Puppy Custom Sound Pack the please consider contributing for future updates by sending a months dues to Hitech Creations for account "Chalenge." Every little bit helps.

Offline save

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2873
Re: Flap Blow-Up.
« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2016, 01:14:16 AM »
I did, and I thnk this should be changed for gear ASAP, mis-used as a diving break today.


Quote from: 49Dallas on January 13, 2016, 04:12:49 PM
Anyone else notice the drop tanks, pilon, and landing gear limits?

MAX DIVING SPEED:

Landing gear: 200 knots-230 MPH

Center drop tank: 375 knots- 431 MPH

Twin pylon drop tank 375 knots- 431 MPH
Logged
My ammo last for 6 Lancasters, or one Yak3.
"And the Yak 3 ,aka the "flying Yamato"..."
-Caldera

Offline lyric1

  • Skinner Team
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 10687
Re: Flap Blow-Up.
« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2016, 01:41:33 AM »
Quote from: save on January 14, 2016, 01:14:16 AM
I did, and I thnk this should be changed for gear ASAP, mis-used as a diving break today.

The dive break was operated by a different handle than the landing gear. The main landing gear is the dive break the dive break handle deployed the landing gear only & not the tail wheel. The tail wheel would get damaged at the speeds the dive break could be deployed.
Logged

Offline Chalenge

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15179
Re: Flap Blow-Up.
« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2016, 02:05:04 AM »
And really the landing gear didn't deploy. The dive brake is just the little door toward the front. I've forgotten id the main doors opened, but I don't think they did at all.
Logged
If you like the Sick Puppy Custom Sound Pack the please consider contributing for future updates by sending a months dues to Hitech Creations for account "Chalenge." Every little bit helps.

Offline Wmaker

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5743
      • Lentolaivue 34 website
Re: Flap Blow-Up.
« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2016, 03:22:32 AM »
Quote from: Chalenge on January 14, 2016, 02:05:04 AM
And really the landing gear didn't deploy.

Nope, the main landing gear did deploy as a dive brake with the tail wheel retracted like lyric said.





-----------------
As a general note: it would be nice if the dive brake command in game would be in use in the F4Us and would operate the main gear alone instead of the generic use of the landing gear command as the dive brake.
Logged
Wmaker
Lentolaivue 34

Thank you for the Brewster HTC!

Offline Chalenge

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15179
Re: Flap Blow-Up.
« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2016, 06:41:57 AM »
You're right. I had another look and the "partial deployment" was obviously talking about the tailwheel remaining up.
Logged
If you like the Sick Puppy Custom Sound Pack the please consider contributing for future updates by sending a months dues to Hitech Creations for account "Chalenge." Every little bit helps.

Offline Saxman

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 9155
Re: Flap Blow-Up.
« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2016, 06:46:05 AM »
Quote from: Chalenge on January 14, 2016, 02:05:04 AM
And really the landing gear didn't deploy. The dive brake is just the little door toward the front. I've forgotten id the main doors opened, but I don't think they did at all.

Also, considering the main landing gear struts are fixed TOO that front door (or vice versa) it would be impossible for just the front door to open and not extend the gear.

IIRC, the dive brake position also didn't lock the landing gear in place.
Logged
Ron White says you can't fix stupid. I beg to differ. Stupid will usually sort itself out, it's just a matter of making sure you're not close enough to become collateral damage.

Offline colmbo

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2246
      • Photos
Re: Flap Blow-Up.
« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2016, 07:33:31 AM »
Quote from: Saxman on January 14, 2016, 06:46:05 AM
Also, considering the main landing gear struts are fixed TOO that front door (or vice versa) it would be impossible for just the front door to open and not extend the gear.

IIRC, the dive brake position also didn't lock the landing gear in place.

According to the manual excerpt posted above the gear does lock down when used as a dive brake.  It has a warning not to extend above 260IAS since the gear may not "fully extend or lock".
Logged
Columbo

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return."

Fate whispers to the warrior "You cannot withstand the storm" and the warrior whispers back "I AM THE STORM"

Offline Mongoose

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1603
      • Kentwood Station
Re: Flap Blow-Up.
« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2016, 02:33:23 PM »
Quote from: FLS on January 12, 2016, 08:55:31 AM
Are you thinking that AH should match the blow up speeds?

  I think it should.  It would give more of a "look and feel" of the real thing.
Logged
My Aces High training site:
www.kentwoodstation.com

Offline Chalenge

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15179
Re: Flap Blow-Up.
« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2016, 03:01:06 PM »
Quote from: Mongoose on January 14, 2016, 02:33:23 PM
  I think it should.  It would give more of a "look and feel" of the real thing.

He posed the question to get Lyric questioning his own logic. There is nothing wrong with Lyric's logic.
Logged
If you like the Sick Puppy Custom Sound Pack the please consider contributing for future updates by sending a months dues to Hitech Creations for account "Chalenge." Every little bit helps.
Pages: 1 [2]   Go Up
« previous next »