2 side tuesdays

[Ack-Ack]

I don't think we'll ever see a 2 sided MA in AH.  2 sides just doesn't work, Kesmai figured that out when they made Air Warrior.  HiTech tried to mix things up with a 4 sided war in WB and that led him to the conclusion that a 3 sided war was best.

[caldera]

I don't think we'll ever see a 2 sided MA in AH.  2 sides just doesn't work, Kesmai figured that out when they made Air Warrior.  HiTech tried to mix things up with a 4 sided war in WB and that led him to the conclusion that a 3 sided war was best.

Was that before ENY or a similar device to keep the sides even?

[Ack-Ack]

Was that before ENY or a similar device to keep the sides even?

If you search for HiTech's posts on the subject, you'll see that he stated that there will not be two sides was made before and after ENY was implemented.

[Bruv119]

Well if the discussion is about things that ruin the game, let's not forget the recent craze of 2 chess pieces making piece to pile on 1.

As Bruv said above, he's fine with knit-rooks vs Bish . I don't care for it whether giving the gang or taking it.... and it will likely soon cause some departures from the AH community.

in my time zone Bish mainly (not all the time) have a 20-30% player advantage (ENY 20+) and have steam rolled plenty of maps.  If I played when you did and Bish were down and out bums then of course I would be flying with you. The game is 24/7 all teams give and take.

It would be cool to see a 2 side map for one 24 hour period a week where teams can have ample numbers to sustain BIG attack / defence situations and roll some larger missions and get more defenders out to intercept in time before it becomes a vulch fest.   These types of situations are what make the game great with combat for buff/fighter and gver alike.   Not a sparse map with very little going on where a handful of guys can setup a vulch against 1/2 defenders and milk it for all it's worth.

This would work off hours because of the low numbers but during peak prime time it could get to much pretty quickly.

[Vraciu]

I don't think we'll ever see a 2 sided MA in AH.  2 sides just doesn't work, Kesmai figured that out when they made Air Warrior.  HiTech tried to mix things up with a 4 sided war in WB and that led him to the conclusion that a 3 sided war was best.

Two sides in Warbirds was a blast.    Worked great.

 

[guncrasher]

war birds is gone.


semp

[Vraciu]

war birds is gone.


semp

Yeah.   So is Chance-Vought.

The two-sided war was never the problem with Warbirds. 

[guncrasher]

Yeah.   So is Chance-Vought.

The two-sided war was never the problem with Warbirds.

then what was the reason why people stopped playing?


semp

[Ack-Ack]

Yeah.   So is Chance-Vought.

The two-sided war was never the problem with Warbirds.

WB experienced some of its largest exodus of players when the game went to a rolling plane set and AvA set up.

[caldera]

Just to clarify, I want the exact same MA rules.   

The only differences would be one less team and smaller maps.   Not asking for rolling plane sets or AVA matchups.

[Vraciu]

then what was the reason why people stopped playing?


semp

Same reason it is happening here with *THREE* sides.

[Vraciu]

WB experienced some of its largest exodus of players when the game went to a rolling plane set and AvA set up.

Not true.

The MA was still available.  People *CHOSE* the AvA and it was a blast.   People eventually gravitated back to the MA.  That's when I left and came here the first time.

The icon changes are what killed the game--that and Wild Bill's oversized ego and heavy-handed dealings with the player base through his surrogates.

I loved the RPS.  I may be one of the few, but I thought it was exceptional.  YMMV.

[bustr]

This last Monday night in the AvA was setup for OddCAF's Monday night Midwar furball. Two sides with the usual one side good rides other side garbage rides. Good side call went out and the darbar reflected it for awhile. So the CM gave both sides the same plane set. Fun petered out pretty quickly when everything was equalized and the garbage men started doing the spanking in good side rides.

You always have a large percentage of the MA who do not want to play with even odds and a very tiny percentage who like going to a 12 on 1 gang fight with a tooth pick against baseball bats. A two side night would end up with a few guys who like tooth picks versus a hoard with meat seeking nukes. If side balancing of any kind was imposed, people would log for the night and simply avoid Tuesday nights.

If you have to impose on the MA what players choose to do, they will leave until the MA goes back to freedom of choice. And if you were given your own arena with this wish setup in it, no one would show up. So this wish requires the power of Hitech to force players to do what they are not paying for. That could cost him customer good will and money, in the end what will the business owner vote for?

[Oldman731]

This last Monday night in the AvA was setup for OddCAF's Monday night Midwar furball. Two sides with the usual one side good rides other side garbage rides.

Pretty sad if you can't find an Axis ride that competes with any Allied ride, when all planes are enabled.  "Garbage rides" indeed.

- oldman

[bustr]

That doesn't change the reality of human nature and how the bills get paid, or how a none exclusive group of drop in players will choose to fight. Or how our community has helped send bill payers to the competitors over the years visa peer shaming to how they choose to spend the time they paid for.

Which gets back to the only way to have a two side Tuesday night is with the full weight of Hitech programmed coercion which is not what the customers are paying for as a main arena. With AH3 they will accept it with AI missions and the exclusive groups will have a 1v1 system controlled dueling arena. And the AvA will still be there for that group of exclusive enthusiasts.