Question

[Molsman]

I been jumping in when I can to test the game and all but I am getting tired of Single Frame Rates and all whne I built this system 2 yrs ago I had the MSI 7770 card place in which was mid to upper vid card back then

here are some clips of my DxDiag

What do I need to upgrade to get steady 50 and over

 Time of this report: 1/12/2016, 08:27:01
             Machine name: LARRYS-PC
         Operating System: Windows 10 Home 64-bit (10.0, Build 10586) (10586.th2_release.151121-2308)
                 Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
      System Manufacturer: To be filled by O.E.M.
             System Model: To be filled by O.E.M.
                     BIOS: BIOS Date: 11/15/12 09:30:46 Ver: 04.06.05
                Processor: AMD FX(tm)-4130 Quad-Core Processor             (4 CPUs), ~3.8GHz
                   Memory: 8192MB RAM
      Available OS Memory: 8094MB RAM
                Page File: 1754MB used, 14532MB available
              Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
          DirectX Version: 12
      DX Setup Parameters: Not found
         User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
       System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
          DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
                 Miracast: Not Available
Microsoft Graphics Hybrid: Not Supported
           DxDiag Version: 10.00.10586.0000 64bit Unicode
  Card name: AMD Radeon HD 7700 Series
       Manufacturer: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
          Chip type: AMD Radeon Graphics Processor (0x683D)
           DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
        Device Type: Full Device
         Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_683D&SUBSYS_27101462&REV_00
     Display Memory: 5050 MB
   Dedicated Memory: 1002 MB
      Shared Memory: 4047 MB
       Current Mode: 1360 x 768 (32 bit) (60Hz)
       Monitor Name: Generic PnP Monitor
      Monitor Model: WXGA TV
         Monitor Id: XXX0000
        Native Mode: 1360 x 768(p) (60.015Hz)
        Output Type: HDMI
        Driver Name: aticfx64.dll,aticfx64.dll,aticfx64.dll,amdxc64.dll,aticfx32,aticfx32,aticfx32,amdxc32,atiumd64.dll,atidxx64.dll,atidxx64.dll,atiumdag,atidxx32,atidxx32,atiumdva,atiumd6a.cap,atitmm64.dll
Driver File Version: 8.17.0010.1404 (English)
     Driver Version: 15.201.1151.1008
        DDI Version: 12
     Feature Levels: 11.1,11.0,10.1,10.0,9.3,9.2,9.1
       Driver Model: WDDM 2.0
Graphics Preemption: DMA
 Compute Preemption: DMA
           Miracast: Not Supported
Hybrid Graphics GPU: Not Supported
     Power P-states: Not Supported
  Driver Attributes: Final Retail
   Driver Date/Size: 11/4/2015 12:00:00 AM, 1479808 bytes
        WHQL Logo'd: Yes
    WHQL Date Stamp:
  Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-2B7D-11CF-AE72-1A07BEC2C535}
          Vendor ID: 0x1002
          Device ID: 0x683D
          SubSys ID: 0x27101462
        Revision ID: 0x0000
 Driver Strong Name: oem44.inf:cb0ae414850b1715:ati2mtag_R575A:15.201.1151.1008:pci\ven_1002&dev_683d
     Rank Of Driver: 00D12001
        Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_C ModeVC1_C ModeWMV9_C
        DXVA2 Modes: DXVA2_ModeMPEG2_VLD  DXVA2_ModeMPEG2_IDCT  DXVA2_ModeH264_VLD_NoFGT  DXVA2_ModeH264_VLD_Stereo_Pro gressive_NoFGT  DXVA2_ModeH264_VLD_Stereo_NoF GT  DXVA2_ModeVC1_VLD  DXVA2_ModeMPEG4pt2_VLD_AdvSim ple_NoGMC  DXVA2_ModeVC1_IDCT  DXVA2_ModeWMV9_IDCT 
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                     {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalSt retch
                     {5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY
                     {6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
                     {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalSt retch
                     {5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY
                     {5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x32315659) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                     {3C5323C1-6FB7-44F5-9081-056BF2EE449D}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,2) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
                     {552C0DAD-CCBC-420B-83C8-74943CF9F1A6}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,2) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
                     {6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
                     {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalSt retch
                     {5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY
                     {5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(IMC1,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                     {5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(IMC2,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                     {5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(IMC3,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
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                     {5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(S340,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
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       D3D9 Overlay: Not Supported
            DXVA-HD: Not Supported
       DDraw Status: Enabled
         D3D Status: Enabled
         AGP Status: Enabled
           MPO Caps: Not Supported
        MPO Stretch: Not Supported
    MPO Media Hints: Not Supported
        MPO Formats: Not Supported
What do I need besides a Video card and I been having everything off in the new game unlike Aces 2

Molsman/Larry

[Bizman]

As you suggest, the bottleneck is your video card. It has 1 GB of video memory which means you'll have to check the video settings from the clipboard when the game starts. The Max Texture Size is what matters the most, 4096 is way too much and even 2048 may cause issues. Play with the smaller ones to find a setting that's fast enough without sacrificing the looks too badly.

Also, what drivers are you using? HD 7770 seems to be supported by Win10 as per http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/Win10-Driver-Support.aspx where they tell to use the latest Catalyst drivers. Here's a direct link for your system: http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop?os=Windows%2010%20-%2064.

As you probably already know, AH3 will be much more dependent on the video card than AH2. For comparing your video card with others this can give you some idea: http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html. I noticed that yours gets 2161 points. My HD 6970 gets 3471 which results very playable FPS using default settings. Note that the points are only directional, don't look at them as the word of Gaming Gods.

[Chilli]

The best that I could find was this driver below, which was updated on 12/17/15.  I noticed that your driver was 15.201.1151.1008 and the information gathered does not match your card :

Download information for ati2mtag_Vancouver

AMD Radeon HD 7400M Series, released on Nov. 4, 2015, midnight.

This is the latest driver from the link Bizman provided, and does match your HD 7770 card:
Radeon Software Crimson Edition Graphics Driver Installer for Windows 10 64-Bit

The AMD Radeon Software Crimson Edition contains the following:
◾AMD Radeon Software Crimson Edition Display Driver version 15.30.1025.1001
http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop?os=Windows%2010%20-%2064

I am finding little other reasons that your GPU is performing so poorly unless you are trying to run beta with everything turned up.  I did a comparison of my card to your card and tried to highlight the areas of meaningful difference (unless I am missing something). 

Manufacturer: nVidia Series: GeForce GTX 400 GPU: GTX 465 Release Date: 2010-05-30 Interface: PCI-E 2.0 x16 Core Clock: 607 MHz Memory Clock: 1603 MHz (3206 DDR) Memory Bandwidth: 102.592 GB/sec Shader Operations: 213664 MOperations/sec        Pixel Fill Rate: 19424 MPixels/sec Texture Fill Rate: 26708 MTexels/sec Vertex Operations: 53416 MVertices/sec

Manufacturer: AMD Series: Radeon HD 7k GPU: Cape Verde  Release Date: 2012-02-15 Interface: PCI-E 3.0 x16 Core Clock: 1000 MHz Shader Clock: 1000 MHz Memory Clock: 2250 MHz (4500 DDR) Memory Bandwidth: 72 GB/sec FLOPS: 1280 GFLOPS Pixel Fill Rate: 16000 MPixels/sec Texture Fill Rate: 40000 MTexels/sec

[Chalenge]

See if you can find a full HD monitor instead of the WXGA (non-standard resolution) TV you are using. Just as a test to see if your performance increases. I bet it does.

[Bizman]

See if you can find a full HD monitor instead of the WXGA (non-standard resolution) TV you are using. Just as a test to see if your performance increases. I bet it does.

A little sidestep, if you allow: For what I've learned it's the pixel count that matters when speaking about performance. The less pixels the less work the video card has to do. Some people here have even successfully lowered their resolution from full HD to some non-standard value to get more frames per second. Thus the WXGA TV should give more FPS than a full HD monitor would. If not, there's something else terribly wrong.

Another question is the input lag of a television, but that doesn't show as FPS.

Image quality is yet another question, as far as I know the native resolution of the monitor is the best choice for the best possible picture. 

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Skuzzy]

Yes, and no Bizman.

NVidia and AMD/ATI have both optimized their video cards for 1920x1080 resolution as it has become a wide spread standard.  There are cases when reducing the video resolution *can* actually reduce performance.  It is not, inherently, logical, but it does happen.

[Bizman]

OK, thanks! Not a wasted day, I've learned something new! 

[Molsman]

Thank you all for the replies I will play around with this more tomorrow after work.

[Molsman]

I aslo forgot to Say since my Card was Made by MSI I was using their drivers and all so I deleted the Catalyst stuff cause I do not like their Raptor program and all

But looks like I will be buying a 3g or 3g card

Molsman

[Chilli]

DIBS!!  on your current card!!