Assigning Ace Pilots

[Wiley]

Right, but I'm guessing the aces and scores aren't common knowledge then until after the entire series?

Wiley.

[Devil 505]

Guess all the crying about the plane selection was moot.

Hardly. The point remains valid regardless of what the individual aces did with their respective aircraft. This is a balance issue, and I'd still be arguing for a change if I had such a gross imbalance in my favor.

It's not the plane, it's the pilot.

Guess I expected more from your guy.That the Allied ace was probably killed is his own fault. I'm sure that Ace selection played a part as well considering that you didn't ensure that your best pilot got a Pony. In not saying that you put in JoeShmo as Ace, but was he the best pilot the Allies had? If you ran this frame with the same pilot skill in each plane, the Pony would come out ahead 9 times out of ten.

With all respect to you, Mak, and to the Axis Ace for flying his arse off, I don't see the outcome of Frame 2 as being a typical outcome of the matchup.

  For you

Congrats BTW, on being the first to hand me a loss as a CIC.

Thank you very much. It was a tough assignment for many of my squads, but they all performed perfectly, so a big <S> to them.

[Nefarious]

Right, but I'm guessing the aces and scores aren't common knowledge then until after the entire series?

Wiley.

Depends on who is admin,  we all do it differently.

I might have missed it...  Who was the Alllied Ace?

[Drano]

In this case you might not have to have the BEST pilot but you certainly need a very DISCIPLINED pilot that fully understands the ace pilot mission. Kill other guys if you can. The more the better. But pick your spots as under no circumstances can you get killed. That's pretty much the ace mission in a nutshell. Nothing saying the ace has to be a lone wolf either. Ace pilot has value to his side. Friendly pilots should know who that is an make sure that under no circumstances does he get killed.

Even if niether ace gets a kill if one dies that's more points for the other team.

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[Wiley]

Depends on who is admin,  we all do it differently.

I might have missed it...  Who was the Alllied Ace?

Gotcha.  Just wanted to make sure there wasn't something published somewhere that I just didn't know about.

Wiley.

[LilMak]

The Allied ace fell because of my orders. It had nothing to do with the skill of the pilot(s) involved. I took a hard gamble and it backfired miserably for a multitude of reasons. Implying the pilot and his skill or lack thereof is short sighted considering you did not know what I asked of the crew involved. I could have played it safe and, at the very least, insured his survival. But that's not how I roll.  The failure of the Allied ace mission falls squarely on my shoulders.

[puller]

There were only 6 pony-Bs for the entire frame...once the call of ponies went out there was a concentrated effort from more than 2 different squads to shadow and kill all ponies....once JG11 found them vulching some guys that were rearming...at I think 77, my freshly rearmed squad vectored to cut them off as they retreated to 50...

We were spread out as we arrived at 50...and greeted by the sight of about half a dozen or more, very pissed off, A20s that were intent on killing us...the axis ace was neck deep in A20s until a squad of 109s showed up and mopped up...

Was a very intense frame...and the early attack on 72 was a good call...

[Joker312]

There's always going to be those that can't be reasoned with, I am afraid Devil is one.

His comments are indicative of a person who just can't see the other side of an argument no matter how strong the others points are.

I am shocked that after the outcome of the frame where his ace was at such a "disadvantage"
but out scored the Allied ace by a wide margin, that he clings to the P51vs C202 argument.

The thought never enters his mind that pilot skill, mission ( P51 's had to drop eggs on a target), numbers ( 6 vs unlimited) , ect have anything to do with it.

And the comments most insulting are the " best pilot " was not used and " it was his own fault"  and he "expected more from your guy "  when he dosent even know which guy was the ace are indication of his high regard for no one but himself.

Here's to you Devil...I am glad the CIC rotation will keep you idle for the next few months.

[j500ss]

There were only 6 pony-Bs for the entire frame...once the call of ponies went out there was a concentrated effort from more than 2 different squads to shadow and kill all ponies.

Our squad is Axis this month, that said.....  The above statement in my opinion was more of a balance issue than anything for  either side to deal with so far as "ace" goes.
Now add the fact that the Pony could NOT be used to defend, and it "HAD" to carry ords       

That's a lot of restrictions to be placed on 1 airframe, then to have to use it for the "ace" airframe?    Well they pretty much had a big ole bull's-eye on their backs from fields open I would say....

Bring on frame 3!!   


 

[Devil 505]

The Allied ace fell because of my orders. It had nothing to do with the skill of the pilot(s) involved. I took a hard gamble and it backfired miserably for a multitude of reasons. Implying the pilot and his skill or lack thereof is short sighted considering you did not know what I asked of the crew involved. I could have played it safe and, at the very least, insured his survival. But that's not how I roll.  The failure of the Allied ace mission falls squarely on my shoulders.

Fair enough, I wasn't trying to insult anyone. 

[Devil 505]

There's always going to be those that can't be reasoned with, I am afraid Devil is one.

Find a reasonable position to be reasoned with from, and you'll find that I'm quite agreeable most times. 

His comments are indicative of a person who just can't see the other side of an argument no matter how strong the others points are.

I see what little has been brought to the table that actually counters or even tries to explain the situation. That nugget being being brought by you the idea that the frame 2 imbalance somehow counters the lesser imbalance from frame 1. Other than that, there has been no reason, no logic, or no counter argument; just denial of a problem.

I am shocked that after the outcome of the frame where his ace was at such a "disadvantage"
but out scored the Allied ace by a wide margin, that he clings to the P51vs C202 argument.

And my case is predicated not on the numbers seen in this frame but on the potential for points, which very few people seem to understand. 

The thought never enters his mind that pilot skill, mission ( P51 's had to drop eggs on a target), numbers ( 6 vs unlimited) , ect have anything to do with it. And the comments most insulting are the " best pilot " was not used and " it was his own fault"  and he "expected more from your guy "  when he dosent even know which guy was the ace are indication of his high regard for no one but himself.

It is very much on my mind, and I think you put too much stock on the tasking. I knew exactly where those Ponies were going, only a fool would send them to hit a large airfield. Only six guns at the refinery. Here's the key though: even with bombs, what Axis plane is going to catch a Pony @ 21K - never mind one diving in from 21K. Unless an Axis is in the perfect place to execute a perfect bounce, your "heavy" pony has little to fear from fighters going in to the target. After the bombs are dropped, now all the Pony pilot has to do is transfer that speed into altitude and more separation from his attackers. Now he's much lighter, and has a bunch of fuel left internally if he launched with 100% (worth 1.8 hours). Why is this guy risking so much when all he has to do is set himself up for some easy BnZ attacks? He has the speed and the fuel to do it? That is what I meant by "his fault". He didn't play hito his strengths. That's like trying to turn fight a Zero with a 190D and losing, 190 pilot's fault. No disrespect intended, just stating the reality of the situation. And what difference does it make if there are only 6 Ponies? The Ace can only fly one of them. The only way that knowledge helps me is in knowing the area where the Allied Ace is knowing that is is one of six planes, which I mentioned before was pretty much a given.  [/quote] 
 

[/quote]Here's to you Devil...I am glad the CIC rotation will keep you idle for the next few months.
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Till next time. 

[LilMak]

Fair enough, I wasn't trying to insult anyone. 

I get it. Just wanted to place the responsibility where it belonged.

[Devil 505]

In this case you might not have to have the BEST pilot but you certainly need a very DISCIPLINED pilot that fully understands the ace pilot mission. Kill other guys if you can. The more the better. But pick your spots as under no circumstances can you get killed. That's pretty much the ace mission in a nutshell. Nothing saying the ace has to be a lone wolf either. Ace pilot has value to his side. Friendly pilots should know who that is an make sure that under no circumstances does he get killed.

Even if niether ace gets a kill if one dies that's more points for the other team.

This sums up the crux of my argument on the 202 vs P-51 issue. Potential for killing vs potential of being killed. The Pony has all the advantages to minimize the risk of dying, while the 202 is probably the riskiest fighter in that aspect.

[68Raptor]

Go take a walk with your kids, come back and have a beer while playing a kids game with them and you will see how little this matters. Keep things in perspective and you'll have more fun.