30mm: 109g14 vs. 109k

[Slade]

Hello,

Is there any advantage in upping a 109g14 with a 30mm loadout over using a 109k4?


Thanks for your feedback,

Slade 

[Randall172]

There isn't "much" difference.

The K4 is about 20mph faster throughout all alts, slightly better climber.

but the G-14 turns slightly better at stall speeds

see this

http://www.gonzoville.com/charts/index.php

but the g14 in these charts has the 20mm option

[JunkyII]

G14 with the 30mm package loses a lot of it's advantage over a K4. Your' re better off flying the K4 if you want 30mm or fly with the 20mm package.

If your perk farming in the MA then I would say the 30mm package in the G14 is a good option.

[DmonSlyr]

Here's the thing. Junky is right, you should just use the K4 if you want to roll with the 30mm. One reason is because it's harder to shoot and you might have to go around for another pass. The K regains E a lot better. The other part is the K does not have those bumps on the nose. There it makes the K easier to make a shot, the G14 would use extra E to get kills, thus not making it the best plane for the 30mm.

The G14 is the plane you want to roll when you need to have some solid gun power. I normally use the gondies, unless in the Dueling arena. I like the G14 because it's a litte easier to set up your shots and you can rake planes with bullets in a deflection shot or turning shot. This way, you get the kill on the first pass instead of having to go around again and lose a bunch of E.

[GScholz]

I never take gondies. If I need that much firepower I just roll a 190A-8 or 110G instead.

[DmonSlyr]

I never take gondies. If I need that much firepower I just roll a 190A-8 or 110G instead.

Well, the 180A8 and 110 are best used for attack. While the G14's loadout and performance is better for fighters.

[GScholz]

For fighters I don't need more firepower than one 30 mm or one 20 mm. My favorite 109 the F has more than enough firepower to knock down fighters. YMMV of course.

[DmonSlyr]

For fighters I don't need more firepower than one 30 mm or one 20 mm. My favorite 109 the F has more than enough firepower to knock down fighters. YMMV of course.

I find it can be very unfortunate when you have to shoot a plane over and over again in order to bring them down. This can get you picked while you waste all your E and alt trying to take down a plane. The 1 20mm just doesnt do enough for me in a tight situation. In real life it was a different story, but when you want to get 6 kills and take down planes more quickly, the gondies help a lot.

[JunkyII]

I find it can be very unfortunate when you have to shoot a plane over and over again in order to bring them down. This can get you picked while you waste all your E and alt trying to take down a plane. The 1 20mm just doesnt do enough for me in a tight situation. In real life it was a different story, but when you want to get 6 kills and take down planes more quickly, the gondies help a lot.

I was about to say this to that last post...yea only one 20MM works but I'd rather be able to drop a plane in a quick snapshot then have to pick them apart.

[GScholz]

You both have to factor in the rather significant performance penalty of those gondies, and how they affect your chance of getting a shot opportunity in the first place.

[Slade]

DmonSlyr where do you set your convergence in a 109g14 with gondies?

Thx

[DmonSlyr]

DmonSlyr where do you set your convergence in a 109g14 with gondies?

Thx

About 400 to 425. I like to shoot far out. It's easier to see your lead sprites. The bullets are heavy and drop. It's good for if planes are 600 out and you want to get some bullets on em, and it's also good for short range destruction. Either way, you have 3 20s and 2 50s drilling them.

I find if it's less than 400, you really gotta lead and pick up the nose a bit higher.

You both have to factor in the rather significant performance penalty of those gondies, and how they affect your chance of getting a shot opportunity in the first place.

Sure there is a slight performance difference.  I find in the MA it's best to be able to knock down planes more quickly. Most of the time in the MA you wouldn't even realize the difference. You do have to be a little more aggressive off the gun to get a quick snap shot. But the plane itself still has roughly the same limits as it does without gondies, against other planes.The difference is life or death, when that guy you shot didn't feel any damage with 1 20mm, you would have raked his plane with 3 20s instead and made sure he died. Most of the fights in the MA start much differently than in the DA, so E and speed add a lot of variables to the fight.

[JunkyII]

You both have to factor in the rather significant performance penalty of those gondies, and how they affect your chance of getting a shot opportunity in the first place.

And that's why I don't fly it other then in the conditions I posted above.

[Slade]

For me main reasons to fly 109s are that they are challenging and fun.  Unlike the perky planes you dont get second chances usually.  109s have always been a handful to me.  You really need to keep your SA up.  Fly smart.  Just my take on them.  It also shows just how well AH got the attention to detail on them.

I tend to fly planes that I am just barely able to do ok in.  I can get 3+ kills per non-rearm sortie in: LA7s, Spit16s, 190d9, P-51 etc.  I dont play for score so after I get a 3-1 kill ratio in a plane or better I cycle around to others.

A 109g14 is usually fast enough to get you home from sorties by an enemy base.  109f\g2\g6 great for base defense etc.  I'll up the slower 109s as we gain CAP over a field.  I do this kinda thing for all plane sets.

Thanks all for your feedback on this topic.