Windows 10 and AHII and Beta AHIII

[Bizman]

Every operating system gets updated, either to fix flaws or to add support to new features. There's a huge difference between an update or a (re)build, though, similar to the Service Packs.

After the launch last summer Win10 has been rebuilt several times whereas 8 has become 8.1 and the original 7 is now 7 SP 1, the upgrades having been released years after the original version.

I've encountered that not even Microsoft Support personnel don't seem to know how to adjust some settings to enable updating in the previous versions which may have been readily installed on a computer.

And yes, I believe Win10 has potential. It has some good new ideas, it has fixed some not-so-good ideas launched in 8, it looks good etc. The biggest issue with me is that it seems to be released a year too early, and with too much force to my liking.

[Skuzzy]

So given enough time Win 10 will become better rather than worse like you have been saying?

I never said it would get "worse".  My inference has to do with the perspective shift everyone goes through when they get a new toy.

The initial response of something new normally incurs a level of excitement and an inability to see any problems.  It is quite normal.  After the "shiny" wears off, the critical eye comes into play.  Nothing may have actually changed, but the perspective of the person.  Things which could be overlooked when something was new, get more difficult to overlook with time.

Your own responses fit right into this paradigm.  Illogical, going against known fact, hyperbole and so on.  Basically, not accurate.

Now, over time Windows 10 updates will get the OS to where Windows 7 is today, in terms of stability.  That is only logical.  There are still other things about Windows 10 itself many people do not like, but that is subjective.

[darkzking]

i dowloaded windows 10 but the box it came in wasnt shiny it was like a matte blue.

[RagingPineapple]

The shrink wrap was kinda shiny...

[Latrobe]

I don't have critical eyes I have SPECIAL EYES!

[Skuzzy]

Latrobe, you seem to think I harbor some ill will towards Windows 10.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  Take a look at my recommendation history.

When Windows 2000 came out, I recommended people keep Windows 98SE. 
Some time later I started recommending Windows 2000.
When Windows ME came out, I recommended staying with Windows 2000.
I never recommended Windows ME.
When Windows XP was released, I recommended staying with Windows 2000.
Around SP1, I switch recommendations to Windows XP.
When Windows Vista was released, I recommended people stay with Windows XP.
I never recommended Vista.
When Windows 7 was released, I recommended people stay with Windows XP.
After Windows 7 SP1 was released, I started recommending Windows 7.
When Windows 8 was released, I recommended people stay with Windows 7.
I never recommended Windows 8 or 8.1.
Today, I am recommending people stay with Windows 7.

See a pattern?

I always wait until the OS is stable enough to warrant a recommendation.  Stability brings good things to our game and that is my primary focus.  Try to provide the best gaming experience you can have with Aces High.

[Randy1]

I agree with latrobe on W10 performance as a program it has nearly been flawless.  The only problem as posted was my error in not having the latest driver.  Now i am not waving a W10 banner but it is not bad either. 

I remember people squeaking about when dos gave way to windows.  W10 is a reality like it or not.  One thing that hurt the PC is the tech savy needed to keep it running.  W10 is trying to take user control out of the picture to make the PC more user friendly.  That may not be a bad thing.  It might boost pc sales in the near future.  Sooner or latter people will get tired of looking at the small tablet screen.

However and this is a big however, controlling when the downloads comes in is the biggest problem.  I may have a work around.  You can have one computer on your network do a download and have that computer send the download to any other computer on the network.  I think anyway.

[Dragon Tamer]

However and this is a big however, controlling when the downloads comes in is the biggest problem.  I may have a work around.  You can have one computer on your network do a download and have that computer send the download to any other computer on the network.  I think anyway.

The easiest way to cope with the updates is to simply shut your computer down every night when you are done using it. If you do that then you will never have an issue with Windows 10 restarting while you are in the middle of working.

[Skuzzy]

Kind of a contradiction Randy.

Remove the user, but this allows the user to have a negative experience when the updater decides to provide another computer an update, or when an update comes in and Windows applies it, it reboots in the middle of an application.  Or when Windows 10 removes an application.

Yes, those things can be addressed,...if the user is savvy enough to know what to do and where.  Sort of counters the whole idea of the user not needing to know anything.

This goes to the really bad set of defaults Microsoft has chosen for Windows 10.

By the way, didn't you say that the DX11 AHIII game was less stable on Windows 10, than on Windows 7?

[Bizman]

One thing that hurt the PC is the tech savy needed to keep it running.  W10 is trying to take user control out of the picture to make the PC more user friendly.

The biggest issues both I and my customers have had is that W10 hasn't been user friendly. For example for a long time basic user the "tablet mode" on a non-touch-screen desktop is not something that you'd neither expect nor intuitively figure out. Or the "metered connection" issue I've often referred to. In 8 it had three different locations, the last one being the most intuitive so far: simply right clicking the connection would give the alternative to make it metered or not (our mobile broadband services aren't metered). In W10 I now know at least two locations for it, the older one being beyond the skill level of a Microsoft Support guy and his teammates whom he asked about it. I should be "tech savvy" after 11 years in the business and I still struggle with some features until I learn all of the undocumented tricks of all of the versions. 

Skuzzy, I can remember the fierce discussions whether to get XP or stay with 98SE back in the days of AH1. Lots of similarity here. 

[Randy1]

. . .  By the way, didn't you say that the DX11 AHIII game was less stable on Windows 10, than on Windows 7?

Yes i did and on patch 20 it failed to start DX11.

[Skuzzy]

Yes i did and on patch 20 it failed to start DX11.

That is a new one.  I am trying to figure out why that would happen.  Video drivers are my first suspect.

[BaldEagl]

Remove the user, but this allows the user to have a negative experience when the updater decides to provide another computer an update, or when an update comes in and Windows applies it, it reboots in the middle of an application.  Or when Windows 10 removes an application.

Not a single one of those things have happened on either of my Win 10 boxes in over 6 months of having win 10 installed.

It's one thing not to recommend it.  It's quite another to propagate fear of it.

[Randy1]

That is a new one.  I am trying to figure out why that would happen.  Video drivers are my first suspect.

O will check the drivers today then report back in the beta DX11 thread.

[Skuzzy]

Not a single one of those things have happened on either of my Win 10 boxes in over 6 months of having win 10 installed.

It's one thing not to recommend it.  It's quite another to propagate fear of it.

I have successfully duplicated many of those issues/questions.  You do realize Microsoft removes posts, from those forums, which have no basis in reality?

This is not about "fear propagation".  It is also not about propagating the perfection of Windows 10, when it clearly is not.  It is this way for every operating system Microsoft has released.  Some people have nightmare level problems with it, while others do not.  There is always a risk when doing an *upgrade*.  There always has been.

Just because you are not running into issues does not mean there are not any.  When the right combination of hardware and software are used, the problems appear.  This is the best indicator of a product which is still not stable.  It is like our Beta.  It is not stable.  There are those who run it perfectly, while others cannot.

This always happens with every generation of operating system Microsoft has released since the original.  Early adopters, who seem to think they have no problems, rant and rave about how great the OS is, regardless of the actual issues.  This history repeats itself, over and over again.

I do have a motive.  I want our game to run as well and stable as possible.  Windows 7 is a known quantity.  Windows 10 is still being fleshed out.  The number of complaints are still piling up.  They will subside, just like every other operating system release has.  That is when you know things are on the way to getting stable.

Lastly, this is not about "fear mongering".  This is about being realistic.  Right now, a good dose of caution is warranted.