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Offline Karnak

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Redoing floors, looking for materials advice
« on: May 26, 2016, 09:49:10 PM »
I am replacing the carpets in my home with wood.  I was looking at engineered hardwood, bamboo or hardwood.  Hardwood would be pushing my budget so I was leaning towards engineered hardwood, then bamboo, but there is a lot of negative information out there on the internet.

Do any of you guys have any experience with these things and if so I'd love to hear your feedback.
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Re: Redoing floors, looking for materials advice
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2016, 10:09:47 PM »
There is a lot to consider.
Laminated/Engineered is fine but you need to be aware of the installation process, as well as maintenance.
Short version, laminated tends to be "floated" over a thin foam layer and is not a bad way to go, except in your kitchen.  If it get's wet, it warps and fails.  Hardwood is long term, if you intend to stay in the home, make the investment.  If you are going over a concrete slab, the laminate is pretty good, if you are going over a raised foundation with wood sub-floor, that floor moves and the laminate doesn't like it.

Neighbor just sold her home and she was proud of her wall to wall laminate she put down 5 years ago.  New family came in, with kids, ripped it up and put down carpet.  Hardwood you can simply carpet over.  So there's a thought for resale and wasted expenses.  Leaving in a few years? Go for the least expensive.  Staying?  Go for quality.  Also, if you are staying long term, do the main areas in hardwood now, entry, family and living rooms, hold off on hallways and other sections for later. That's a good option as the smaller areas can be a do it yourself project over time, saving money, while watching the pros do it on the main areas. 

All of them have their good points and bad.  Hardwood will last generations, and you will maintain it by waxing and can even hot iron out dents and refinish.  Laminates, replace the sections that go bad, if you can find replacements, hoping the manufacturer today is there 5 years from now.
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Re: Redoing floors, looking for materials advice
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2016, 10:58:24 PM »
Probably selling in a few years.  Laminate really isn't on the table though.  Don't like the look and feel.  Engineered hardwood is inexpensive and has a better look and feel, so that is my inclination.

Floor will be on a concrete slab.  Not locked into floating or gluing it yet.  My wife is concerned about health hazards from engineered hardwood.  Do you know anything about risks from it?
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Re: Redoing floors, looking for materials advice
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2016, 11:51:44 PM »


A picture of my office room. I moved into my own house back at the end of 2015. Previous occupants had carpet in bedrooms, den and hallways - I ripped that up and laid down wood. Didn't find anything cool under the carpet as the house was built in 1961; just concrete slab everywhere except the den which, oddly enough, was tile. My floor is actually southern yellow Pine with an "American Chestnut" stain. Pros is that it was fairly cheap (believe it cost something like $3,000 for three rooms, a hallway, a den and formal living room) and looks like hardwood; cons are that it shows dust/dirt and pine tends to get sratched easily. The stained pine had a nice dark/light streaked result, not at all uniform. Went with 3" width, staggered lengths.

One side note, this was the only room in the house I repainted - I figured taking off in a massed B-17 formation surrounded by a baby blue office room with sparkly coset door knobs would have been a slight buzz kill...
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Re: Redoing floors, looking for materials advice
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2016, 01:41:18 PM »
Engineered woods or laminates are all going to have the inherent risks and concerns with out-gassing from the chemicals and glues.  There's just no way around it.  Some floors have been notorious for extreme amounts of formaldehyde, typically in the inexpensive Chinese products.  There is nothing better than simply a hardwood floor.  Selling in a few years does bring that factor into the discussion.  Floors tend to gas for quite a few years, and you will be well within the intolerable range for some potential purchasers.  Some people aren't concerned, others can't bear the thought of breathing the gasses. 
Hardwood could positively impact the future sale. 
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Re: Redoing floors, looking for materials advice
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2016, 03:37:59 PM »
Wow! There was a lot of discussion about formaldehyde in chipboard in the late seventies and IIRC they got it sorted by law. This is the first time I hear about those issues in engineered hardwood.

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Re: Redoing floors, looking for materials advice
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2016, 06:36:02 PM »
We were told that the store we're looking at right now, Lumber Liquidators, does not carry products that use formaldehyde since the 60 Minutes expose.
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Re: Redoing floors, looking for materials advice
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2016, 08:20:19 PM »
 Have you considered cork flooring?

  It has it's pros and cons like any other flooring but it's a good alternative to laminated.

 I just replaced all my floors a few years ago,I chose hickory hardwood that was 7/8ths,it care be refinished multiple times!


  My advice is to make sure whatever you pick you have it installed by someone you know does good work!  get references and check previous work because even the best flooring can be messed up with a sloppy install!



   

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Re: Redoing floors, looking for materials advice
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2016, 12:10:29 AM »
Wouldn't engineered hardwood floor be about the same as the plywood or oriented strand board that the house would be full of anyway?  Granted, those will have outgassed previously, but if you were comparing to moving into a new house, it would seem like engineered hardwood (from a reputable place and not from China) would probably be no worse than the rest of the house.

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Re: Redoing floors, looking for materials advice
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2016, 11:50:47 PM »
I replaced my carpet with  solid "click" interlocking floating bamboo , long wide planks, got it from Lowe's for about 4$/sq ft ; The price of installation is ridiculous , i was quoted  about same 3-4$/sq ff,( i used 1000sf=aprox 3-4000$ for job,   :bhead    Soo, i watched a dozen of videos on YouTube , (this interlocking is very easy to install ) ; bought some  foamy underlayment with vapor barrier,  tools , lots of beer ....and i did it myself; it's easy, just pay attention to first row and how to measure/cut the baseboards.   
 Check it out, pro job, ehh?!   :banana: :D





I didn't know about formaldehyde toxicity in flooring,  :uhoh i just watched the video you mentioned  this evening ; maybe i would consider solid real wood, not processed bamboo after watching the video; I cheched the websitte of this company MOSO ,hmm made in China also, they are claiming to be safe for European Union standards. 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su2yA-TxnlU

another video i just wached interesting tips how to pick safer product; Dr.Oz show ;  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhiPL66p85A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMtYBsyUxa4
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Re: Redoing floors, looking for materials advice
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2016, 06:13:42 AM »
Very nice Ghi!  :aok
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Re: Redoing floors, looking for materials advice
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2016, 08:26:12 PM »
Sorry to bring this up again, but btw,  if you want to DIY,  this videos posted by Lowe's are very helpful ; lots more on Tube;  ( it's easy job doesn't matter if you nail , glue or  click it)   :salute :bolt:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjHraKByaWk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1N8PzNfmnw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3WVf-5FfWw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svA9zSIWSv8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsIbPpa-d3U