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Life in the field changing back to the bad old days
« on: June 04, 2016, 09:30:47 AM »
This is an interesting read:http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/it%e2%80%99s-rucksacks-and-foxholes-as-army-goes-old-school-for-new-conflicts/ar-BBtQucf?ocid=spartandhp

I always felt bad for guys being deployed, I remember living out of a foxhole in Vietnam , Life in a base camp was a little better but not that much, no runing war, we used buckets to fill a 50 gallon drum on an elevated platform, for a shower.   we pulled Guard duty, did security patrols around our base camp, and on occasion defended ourselves from our own fighting positions.  I thought as I grew older that some poor bastard in any of our current wars must be doing about the same thing, boy was I wrong.  They finally learning how to live in the field.
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Re: Life in the field changing back to the bad old days
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2016, 01:03:01 PM »
Heck, I'm deployed and operating out of an airbase right now. These airforce guys have given us showers, connex buildings with hallways and rooms, wifi, the whole deal. It's crazy.

But I'm not complaining. It's a whole different world outside the wire, and a whole different kind of conflict.
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« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2016, 02:59:19 PM »
Heck, I'm deployed and operating out of an airbase right now. These airforce guys have given us showers, connex buildings with hallways and rooms, wifi, the whole deal. It's crazy.

But I'm not complaining. It's a whole different world outside the wire, and a whole different kind of conflict.

Thanks for your service,  I only did one 18 month deployment in Vietnam with the 5th Group on an A Team of 12.   You could say I back packed all over Vietnam, mostly one way flights, they take us out, drop us off and give us a grid where to be in week for pickup.  But lived with no AC, no electric, no phones, no TV, except in some of the bigger bases.  If you read the link it says that the Army and I"m guessing the Marines as well, are going old school, no more contractors doing security or providing mess hall duty.  I got so used to the Afternoon chow Huey that when I hear one fly over my house now my mouth starts to waters.  In Late November 67, we were nine days into a 10 day mission, made no contact with anyone, our CO put out a call for hot chow and fresh water and  dry socks, it was Thanks Giving,  what we got delivered was a half ration of water, no Socks and cold C-rations.  The CO was pissed, passed his complaint up the chain of command on the radio to Battalion,  Down came a new orders,  hold in place until relieved.    Next thing I know three birds show up carrying Cooks, still dressed in their cook whites, the mess officer and his staff about 18 guys and you could see from the looks on their faces, they never planned to ever be outside the wire of any base.  There was a Major with them who ordered our team to mount up, that we were relieved.  They took my team to Vung Tau, an in country R&R Center, with Air Conditioning, hot showers, hot food,  flush Toilets, real beds and best of all American nurses, turned into three days of I&I, that's intoxication and intercourse for those not in the know.  After that, anytime our unit went on the net to request resupply, we got what we asked for.
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Re: Life in the field changing back to the bad old days
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2016, 05:19:07 PM »
 :salute gents thanks for yalls service :salute I used to do civil war  reenactments haversack and all. I have some very good friends that are Vietnam vets. I heard a lot of stories.
I always thank them for there service, sometimes I would get the looks like (wtf). they knew me and knrw I meant it. thanks again  :salute :cheers:

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Re: Life in the field changing back to the bad old days
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2016, 11:43:50 AM »
I can't imagine 18 months anywhere, especially not Vietnam. Any deployment over 9 months now, there has to be a 2 week R&R period. Most deployments are about 9 months these days. I guess it comes with all the research into combat related stress and stuff.

It's a good thing that the army is going back to army -vs- army training in some respects. With most of our training in the states outside of basic, we lived out of a large tent as a platoon, doing some of the old-school basics, but mostly focusing on our specific job (counter-IED operations). In my opinion though, it will be hard to balance the training. I don't think any, or very many wars will be fought the same since the introduction to the effectiveness of improvised explosive devices, insurgency and guerilla warfare.

You never know what will be next though. Better to have knowledge of both than to be left blind in one but good at another.  :salute
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Re: Life in the field changing back to the bad old days
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2016, 02:03:38 PM »
Traveler wasn't under orders for an 18 month deployment. No one was. Marines were 13 months, but Army was 12 months. He had to have volunteered for an additional 6 months.

People were offered paid transportation and leave anywhere in the world after their 12 month deployment as an inducement to sign up for an additional 6 months in country.

Traveler is the first person I ever heard of who took that offer. I'm sure people did, just never knew one or anyone who knew anyone who did.

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Re: Life in the field changing back to the bad old days
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2016, 02:51:21 PM »
Traveler wasn't under orders for an 18 month deployment. No one was. Marines were 13 months, but Army was 12 months. He had to have volunteered for an additional 6 months.

People were offered paid transportation and leave anywhere in the world after their 12 month deployment as an inducement to sign up for an additional 6 months in country.

Traveler is the first person I ever heard of who took that offer. I'm sure people did, just never knew one or anyone who knew anyone who did.

I was with the 5th group, all special forces tours were 18 months.
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Re: Life in the field changing back to the bad old days
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2016, 04:02:16 PM »
Got it.  :aok

Technically, special forces were 6 month TDY tours, so you did 3 consecutive tours.

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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2016, 03:39:06 AM »
Got it.  :aok

Technically, special forces were 6 month TDY tours, so you did 3 consecutive tours.

Your right about the TDY assignments, that how they got some many teams in the field so fast.  only the first 6 months was TDY,  my team was first assigned to the 3rd Special Forces in Germany, We got rerouted to Vietnam as part of the build up in the fall of 67 and assigned TDY through Can Tho for a few weeks, then moved up north to camp A-101.  At some point I saw my 201 file and it showed  that I was separated from the 3rd Group and assigned to the 5th with a DEROS of May 5, 1969.  I know that at some point the Army command tried to move away from all the TDY assignments, I think late 66 or 67.  Also for most of my TDY assignment I was outside of the boarders of Vietnam. 
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Re: Life in the field changing back to the bad old days
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2016, 11:44:35 AM »
Your right about the TDY assignments, that how they got some many teams in the field so fast.  only the first 6 months was TDY,  my team was first assigned to the 3rd Special Forces in Germany, We got rerouted to Vietnam as part of the build up in the fall of 67 and assigned TDY through Can Tho for a few weeks, then moved up north to camp A-101.  At some point I saw my 201 file and it showed  that I was separated from the 3rd Group and assigned to the 5th with a DEROS of May 5, 1969.  I know that at some point the Army command tried to move away from all the TDY assignments, I think late 66 or 67.  Also for most of my TDY assignment I was outside of the boarders of Vietnam.

My hats off to you sir. My Uncle was an intel captain in Vietnam. Not the "stay behind the wire and analyze" billet, the out in the field looking for the good stuff type, and he still won't speak a word of what he went through.